so why do my fire safe cigarettes taste bad………………..??

Scroll through this blog and you will find plenty of entries from smokers complaining about the bad taste and ill effects now their favorite brand has been converted to be fire safe compliant (FSC.)

Why is this……?

Mostly it’s because the fundamental burn characteristics of your favorite smokes have been changed by the addition of FSC or LIP paper. It’s not because something bad has been added. FSC or LIP paper has bands printed on it making the paper’s porosity lower. The lower porosity bands (or zones) make the cigarettte burn slower and if it’s not puffed – it can go out.

Making the cigarette burn slower alters the taste in some cases quite significantly.

Your favorite smokes taste worse because most States and all of Canada now require FSC cigarettes.

59 comments ↓

#1 fsclawrepeal on 04.27.10 at 4:46 AM

Because of the FSC paper, the tobacco burns more inefficiently, and that causes it to produce more chemicals that are considered toxic.

It doesn’t just taste bad, it’s much worse for your health.

The irony is that fires have actually increased for smokers in New York, the first state to pass the law.

FSC laws were passed state by state using deception and misinformation. For more information, please read the attached link:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rebecca-brooks/fire-safe-cigarette-laws_b_519867.html

#2 Jim on 04.27.10 at 2:49 PM

fsclawrepeal,

Amazing info why are folks not made aware of this in the main stream media.

Jim

#3 TobaccoToxDoc on 04.27.10 at 9:42 PM

I was project leader at a major tobacco company for the chemistry and toxicology research that led to the acceptance of one major brand of LIP cigarette paper. The studies involved detailed smoke chemistry, in vitro toxicology studies, and a subchronic rodent inhalation study on a very well matched pair of products: conventional paper control versus LIP paper test. Except for a small increase in carbon monoxide delivery (and well with the range for comparable competitive products), which is expected with LIP papers, there was no increase in toxicity caused by the LIP papers. The research described above was done almost ten years ago so it may not be reflective of LIP papers currently in use. Research was also presented at a public scientific meeting.

#4 TobaccoToxDoc on 04.27.10 at 9:57 PM

RE: LIP difference in smoke taste

When LIP papers were being introduced, at least some cigarette makers conducted tests to determine what had to be done to their products to maintain smoke quality when LIP papers were used. It was far from a simple matter of just changing the cigarette paper from non-LIP to LIP. Much science went into the change to LIP papers.

This raises an interesting question: What did the smaller manufacturers do when they switched from non-LIP to LIP papers?

#5 Chris Crawley on 04.28.10 at 3:20 PM

Several smokers have posted comments their cigarettes taste bad now they are FSC compliant.
It would be interesting to learn what brands they are smoking – anybody want to let us know??

#6 fsclawrepeal on 04.29.10 at 12:54 AM

Jim,

Good question!

Chris,

I smoked American Spirit additive-free tobacco until they had to change the paper. Wound up not being able to breathe. Now, I roll my own.

TobaccoToxDoc,

Are you referring to the Harvard study? That was published on January 24, 2005.

Alternatively, are you referring to Philip Morris’s toxicological characterization of a novel cigarette paper by Patskan G, Hsu F, Meisgen T, et al, from 2000? That was used by Philip Morris to help push through the original legislation in New York.

The problem with that, and all the other toxicology reports on LIP that were used to advance FSC legislation, is that none of the brands would have passed New York’s fairly rigid standards.

In the Harvard study, the three brands that actually would have passed New York standards showed increases in all of the chemical compounds that were measured. Naphthalene rose 15.8% and carbon monoxide 12.6%. Of course, that doesn’t take into account smoker topography, which can take years to study. Forcing mice to smoke tells us nothing.

Your final question answers what may be the reason Philip Morris pushed for legislation. Some smaller manufacturers couldn’t compete.

I would be quite curious to hear any other information you care to offer. Thanks for posting.

#7 TobaccoToxDoc on 04.30.10 at 8:40 PM

The work I reported at a scientific meeting in 2003 was modeled after the PMUSA study reported by Patskan et al. There is no reason to suspect that the PMUSA study used banded cigarette paper that would not have met the NY standard. There is a a more recent journal article by RJRT scientists (Experimental and Toxicologic Pathology
Volume 59, Issue 1, 1 September 2007, Pages 17-27) you may wish to consult. There are many caveats that go into comparing smoke deliveries of Cigarette A versus Cigarette B. The differences you quoted from the Connolly paper are marginally significant at best.

Doing detailed quantitative analysis on cigarette smoke is a hard way to make a living even if you have the best equipment and facilities and have great scientists working with you.

#8 fsclawrepeal on 05.02.10 at 1:32 AM

The conclusions on toxicology reported by Patskan et al in 2000 were based on a group of four cigarette types that used different banded paper technology. Only one of those cigarette types (3D) would have passed New York’s standard. The other three would have failed. Yet the toxicological conclusions were based on them as a group.

The RJRT research also went no further than forcing rodents to inhale smoke. It did not address smoker topography, which can take years to study. It’s well established in medical literature that smoking “light” cigarettes carries the same health risks as smoking regular cigarettes because of the way they are smoked.

The only FSC research on actual human beings that I could find is currently being conducted by Roswell Park Cancer Institute. It began September 21, 2006 and should end July 31, 2010. The lead researcher is one of the peer-reviewers of the flawed Harvard study, so I’m going to take any conclusions with a grain of salt.

One of the four brands tested in the Harvard study failed New York’s standard, which they did not acknowledge. An additional caveat is the Harvard study does not consider the synergistic effect of increases in all of the nineteen chemical compounds that were measured. Yet the Harvard study was used to advance FSC legislation.

I am finding these glimpses into LIP technology from an “insider” to be fascinating. I hope you will continue to post.

#9 Jim on 05.03.10 at 2:33 PM

Fascinating! So why in simple form do folks say the new cigs taste so bad?

#10 fsclawrepeal on 05.04.10 at 8:27 PM

Jim,

I do not know how any particular FSC cigarette is made because that is proprietary information.

I have read everything from alginates, ethylene vinyl acetate (EVA), metal oxides, and asbestos are used. EVA is used as a glue, so I’m sure that would taste horrible when burned.

American Spirit told me an alginate is used. It must be sodium alginate because they tasted salty. Yuck! Didn’t go very well with coffee.

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#12 LOLA on 11.17.10 at 4:23 PM

I quit smoking. Cannot stand that terrible taste of Marlboro Lights anymore. Thanks for making cigarettes taste like …., I hope that more people will quit…

#13 Cecelia Colin on 01.10.11 at 2:08 PM

Newport 100′s taste absolutely disgusting with this new FDA mandated paper. They are also making me chronically ill. In addition, the FDA (specifically LES WEINSTEIN ph# 1-301-796-9239—- DR. LAWRENCE DEYTON) have ignored my hundreds of emails and phone calls. The FDA’s defense is that if you are getting sick then quit smoking. These BASTARDS need to be fully exposed.

#14 Mike on 01.14.11 at 10:55 PM

@Jim

Why do people say they taste bad now? Apparently you’re not a smoker.

Before the FSC chemicals were introduced, you could taste the tobacco in the cigarette. Each brand would have a unique tobacco taste. Today, with FSC cigarettes, the tobacco taste is covered up by the FSC chemicals. FSC cigarettes taste rancid; they leave a copper, metallic chemical-like taste in your mouth, completely masking the tobacco taste.

People who drink certain alcoholic beverage brands do so for the taste, and it’s the same for smokers. To the non-smokers who drink and have a favorite alcoholic brand: try to imagine this for a minute. The Government finds a way to add a special chemical to EVERY alcoholic beverage ever made.

This chemical somehow makes it more difficult for people to get drunk, and in ‘theory’ will reduce drunk driving accidents / deaths.

Now… no matter what alcoholic beverage you buy (i.e. Bud, etc.) the taste you enjoyed is suddenly masked by a chemical, copper-like taste that suddenly makes your stomach upset. Then suddenly you come down with headaches, and you were never prone to them. To make matters worse, you’re coming down with strange rashes and your bowels are ill.

You know it’s the ‘chemical’ that was placed in the alcohol that is causing the symptoms because you’ve been drinking for years and never had those symptoms before, but you have non-drinkers on the other side of the fence telling you, “Well, you’ve been drinking for years so it was bound to happen.”

No one will listen to you. Imagine how frustrating that would be. You can’t get your ‘fix’ because no matter what brand you buy it’s going to taste terrible and make you ill; non-drinkers are claiming it’s the effects of long-term drinking when you know it’s not’; and the Government is ignoring your pleads and violating your rights.

That’s what smokers are going through right now, and it’s a violation of our rights.

#15 Sprawl on 02.20.11 at 3:58 PM

I smoke Marlboro. Lived in Non-FSC state, went to FSC state and couldn’t figure why cigs there tasted bad. Local pointed out FSC. I had noted the cig kept going out.. thought was humidity or something.
You ARE inhaling some added substance. If you hold your cig at an angle to your monitor in the dark, you will see fat bands of some sort of nylon junk.
I got sick from these when my state switched. Everything had a chemical taste to it, bread, meat.. (not veggies, tho.) Started rolling my own. The glue-coughs, bad tastes, and nausea went away.
Tho’ this was cheaper and had obvious benefits, went back to Marlboro’s, because it’s hard to roll AND smoke on a five minute smoke break. All the nastiness is back.
Also, thanks to FSC, there are pinholes in almost all my shirts, my car-seat, and my recliner, from the ‘FSC-Flare-&-Fall.’ Just my observances.

#16 Ethan on 03.06.11 at 1:45 PM

I can confer about the tiny pin holes in everything. Since I HAD to quit smoking camels I switched to GPC Lights, or ‘gold box’ since the Gov. also has their hand in what they can be called (can no longer be called lights) any brand. I HATE THE NEW LIP PAPER. I can’t hardly breath, they taste like crap and cost even more. What a joke, I think Gov. regulations over our money is bad enough, cant they just keep their hands off the cig money? Guess not -

#17 Jonathan Gimbey on 03.15.11 at 9:50 PM

I called the FDA too and they acted like they were unaware of any illnesses from FSC were taking place. Then I contacted Jeffrey Wigand about this. He gave me the same response. They are LYING! I am also convinced that they are adding crap to the tobacco to make it unpalatable. Bottom line: Their agenda is to force you to stop. I’d wager big money on this. I have no proof but my common sense is well intact. I want to expose these son of a bitches. You can do your part by posting info everywhere with these guys names and phone numbers. Hopefully they’ll accidentally get hit by a car.

#18 Hack on 03.19.11 at 12:33 AM

I quit smoking this past February because I couldn’t stand the taste anymore. I really thought it was in my head. I hoped. But every time I’d light up there was a distinct difference. Bad, bad taste. I knew all the health risks, heck, we all do, but I smoked because I like the flavor. And with that gone there’s no enjoyment whatsoever and no more reason to smoke. None. Other than nicotine addiction. And that’s not a good enough reason to continue.

#19 drummerdave on 03.22.11 at 7:47 PM

I have has swollen glands in my neck making it difficult to swallow for the past 9 months. After many doctor visits and courses of antibiotics and wrong diagnosis with no relief. I finally put 2 and 2 together and it started about thew same time my sate went FSC so I was extremely suspicious, I rolled my own for a few days with clean papers and my glands went down.Then I decided to smoke one of the poison FSC cigs and BAM!!! swollen glands. I have also had headaches and just felt like crap. My body has been fighting this foriegn chemical or glue or whatever the F@#K it is and thats all there is to know. DO NOT SMOKE THESE THINGS!! My government poisoned me and I have absolutely no recourse. The doctors had no clue and probably still dont so its just being misdiagnosed everytime somebody is sick enough to and has $$ to see a doctor. This is till America??isnt it????????

#20 Susan Smith-George on 03.30.11 at 3:08 AM

I CALLED THE FDA AT LEAST 20 TIMES OVER THE COURSE OF THREE MONTHS. EVERYTIME I ASKED THEM IF THEY HAVE HEARD FROM OTHER PEOPLE COMPLAINING OF THESE SIDE EFFECTS THEY SAID NO. FUNNY THING IS IS THAT THEY DID NOT KNOW I HAD CALLED MULTIPLE TIMES BEFORE. YES, THEY ARE LYING AND YES I HOPE THEY ALL GET SHOT. CORRUPT BASTARDS THAT NEED TO BE TAKEN OUT. SOMEBODY PLEASE DO US ALL A FAVOR AND RID THE WORLD OF THEM.

#21 Jessica Koch on 05.21.11 at 10:20 AM

Even though these FSCs have been around since 2010, only since April have I been noticing that my Newport 100s are irritating my mouth, throat, and my lungs when I take a deep drag. I’ve been to the doctor and I’m good, I’ve cut down tons, but then when I go to have one again, bam, same crap. It’s sad because I really loved these, but they taste worse and it’s not worth dying over. Nothing like having your decisions made for you, thanks.

#22 killanonsmokertoday on 05.23.11 at 10:56 PM

Had my suspicions thank you all

#23 Allan on 07.15.11 at 3:19 AM

I knew something was wrong before I even heard about the FSC paper. I smoked Marlboro Lighs for 25 years and all of a sudden started having headaches and felt ill; this was over a year ago. Also, noticed the sweet sugary taste was gone and had more of a nasty chemical taste. The other thing I noticed was how the cherry would fall off once it burned close to the filter. I knew it wasn’t my imagination, so I contacted a friend who smokes Marlboro Light 100′s and asked if Philip Morris had done anything weird to their cigarettes. That’s when I found out about the new fire-safe papers.
The headaches and queasiness are finally gone, so my body must be well adapted to the new poison. But, they still taste like pure s**t! Since all of the enjoyment of smoking has finally been legislated away through the equal distribution of misery, I just go through the motions for the nicotine.

#24 Ryan of Newfoundland on 08.19.11 at 8:13 AM

Well folks, up here in Canada the situation isn’t much better. Theres a horrible stale copper taste on my Canadian Classics, John Players, de Maurier, MacDonald, Export ‘A’ and every other brand I could buy. while only a few months ago my smokes had the unique sweet taste I’ve been so used to over the years. I got 2 packs of Marlboro Reds from America {Because Marlboro isn’t sold in Canada} and I hacked and gagged like a 12 year old in his fathers cigar collection from the appalling taste. If they were going to add more carcinogens to fucking cigarettes, at least have the decency to take out the formaldehyde, Benzene or Tar to even it out a bit.
What a fucking travesty.

#25 Camel Boy on 08.24.11 at 6:26 PM

Hate the hell out of fire safe cigs.
That’s why I but from a reservation and buy a native brand.

#26 Camel Boy on 08.24.11 at 6:27 PM

By the way very informative site – I found it on facebook ans said gotta find out more.

#27 Slackie on 09.24.11 at 8:41 AM

Well .. you have to see the big picture here. We are all slaves of our sociaties – and nonefficient slaves are less productive than efficient slaves. This is especially important when there is no gain from the habits the slaves develops – which is why the sociaty has an incitament of making people stop smoking. Its simply not beneficial to the overall economy.

#28 Russell-UK on 09.27.11 at 11:37 AM

In the last six weeks every cigarette tastes bloody awful and keeps going out. I have smoked Bensons rgular for too long now but they are suddenly not the same. Tries Embassy and they are the same. Tried Regal (yuk) but they are actually better right now. Is this new paper here in the UK? Any other ideas? Also I was going to change to American spirit but gather they too now have the new paper. CAN I BUY PRE-ROLLED PURE TOBACCO CIGARETTES ANYWHERE? It seems to be the way forward

#29 Ryan of Newfoundland on 09.28.11 at 1:42 PM

Lately I’ve been trying different cigarettes. What I see is the few American cigarettes I get my hands on taste absolutely horrible, while the Canadian (While we’ve had Fire safe cigarettes since ’07) brands taste not nearly asbad, or have the same strange burning patterns. Out of the Number 7s, Canadian Classics, Players, de Maurier, Macdonald, NeXt and Export ‘A’, none tasted as bad as american cigarettes or burned in the same Gung-ho way. Whatever your government is adding to your cigarettes isn’t being added up here, although my beloved Smokes do taste different from what they once did.

#30 Slackie on 09.29.11 at 10:14 AM

The change is due to new regulations en Europe … so the new standards for cigarettes effects all brands – in all countries in Europe…

As per 17th of septemper – all brands sold in Denmark have to apply to these standards …

This is a pure attack to the personal freedom!!!

#31 Donna on 10.14.11 at 10:43 PM

I have had this horrible metallic taste in my mouth that wont go away! been to specialist…..brain ct scan,sinus ct scan. Also went to dentist !!! they all found nothing wrong!!! I am wondering since July of 2010 I have had this taste, is it my Winston cigarettes?? when did these fsc cigarettes go on the market?? Please help someone,this is driving me mad!!

#32 ana on 11.26.11 at 11:44 PM

O.M.G i’m so glad someone understands what i’ve been saying for the past couple of months. I’m in the middle east and they started changing all the Marlboro’s i felt something tasted weird, i told everyone that i knew who smokes they said it felt different but didn’t know why. They’ve been pulling the regular Marlboro ultra lights then lights and replaced them all to the gold S**T Blend! I am so annoyed, i feel the horrible metallic taste too. I suffer from High acidity and it increases whenever i smoke them and i dont feel well at all. I cant believe that they took the joy from smoking, i am writing this while smoking my last pack of Non lip paper :( should i add Disposable Cigarette Filters to it??? would it help?? if anyone has tried them please tell me if they work? is there a way where i wont be feeling that horrible taste in my mouth?

#33 Rose on 11.27.11 at 9:53 PM

I was wondering why the Marlboro medium 100′s made everything I ate or drank taste like crap! Not to mention the cigs taste crappy. I thought changing from lights to mediums would help but they all taste like crap. I guess the insurance companies hooked up with the government to control us. Don’t get me started…

#34 TobaccoToxDoc on 11.28.11 at 10:14 AM

Isn’t anyone with a smoking machine and a lab that is curious about the compounds in mainstream smoke coming from the banded parts of the paper? I know what needs to be done and can get the GC-MS work done, if you can’t. I can also get cigs FSC versus non-FSC. When can we start work? Looking for something we can publish and present at next years’ scientific meetings.

#35 barnestable on 12.08.11 at 8:30 PM

If you think the FSC chemicals are only in the so called “speed bumps”, you’re nuts! The speed bumps are a good inch apart, and FSC cigarettes burn poorly and taste awful along the entire length of the cigarette. The chemicals are added to the tobacco and the whole of the paper. “Speed bumps” are a tangible ruse. Take tobacco out of an FSC cigarette and put it in a non-FSC tube. Still tastes bloody awful. My advice is to quit, and to quit NOW!

#36 Bambi Viacello on 01.06.12 at 11:57 PM

SMOKER’S, ARE FSC CIGARETTES MAKING YOU SICK? Jeffrey Wigand’s agenda, post “The Insider”, is working closely with the FDA who have full control over tobacco. When I asked him personally (recently)about all the FSC cigarette illnesses, he denied knowing anything about it. That’s funny, two years earlier in an e-mail I sent him that HE responded to, he thanked me for bringing the FSC cigarette illnesses to his attention and that he would personally notify Dr. L a w r e n c e D e y t o n (HEAD LIAR @ FDA TOBACCO DIVISION). Wigand is a LIAR and is in bed with the FDA who are deliberately lacing cigarettes with new FSC chemicals to induce unorthodox illnesses to coerce smokers into quitting. Smokers in other countries are NOT experiencing this. WIGAND, the FDA and LAWRENCE DEYTON are EVIL bastards and should be convicted of crimes against American citizens. The needle is too good for these filthy scumbags.

Here is why FSC cigarettes are making you sick. The signing of the new Tobacco Safety Act of 2009 by the IMF- CEO Barry Soetoro gives most Tobacco Corporations and their affiliated “parent” companys complete immunity from any resulting public sickness or illness as a result of any “modifications” to their product. Also, they are not required by law to notify the public of any related illness nor is any research required by the “government” pertaining to any illness claims by the public ( under Sec. 909 Records and Reports, articles (A) 3-6) and Sec 911 “Modified Risk Tobacco Products”) More than 27,000 smokers worldwide have signed a petition since the implementation of world-wide FSC or “Fire Safety Compliance” laws claiming a strong metallic taste, headaches, sores in their mouth, nausea and diarrhea. It has of course, fallen on deaf ears and has been completely ignored by our World Bank and IMF “government” and of course, corporations within the Tobacco Industry. But this…is just the tip of the iceburg. In 2000, Phillip Morris began using what they called “fire safe technology” in their Merit brand of cigarettes. Once again, this was done without any public notice whatsoever, just like the current FSC laws. They were sued by The Department of Justice in 2004 which forced them to change to the newer “government” standard of FSC cigarettes soon to be implemented for the first time in New York in 2005. Phillip Morris’ version obviously did not contain all of the unnecessary toxic metallic nanoparticulates. It’s interesting to note that the state with the highest amount of population within the US at the time, was the first to implement these newly formed FSC standards. Ironically, FSC cigarettes are called Reduced Ignition Propensity (or RIP) cigarettes by the Tobacco Industry. In US Patent 7,640,936 filed September of 2005, Phillip Morris scientists explain in depth, the introduction of metal oxide nano-particulates to their products. The same type US patent was recently granted to RJ Reynolds in 2010 (#20100122708). Note that these patents were granted AFTER US-CEO Barry Soetoro signed the Tobacco Safety Act of 2009, supposedly giving the FDA( Dr. Lawrence Deyton) and the US “government” control over tobacco additives. The nanoparticles are incorporated into tobacco filler material cigarette paper and/or filter material, according to Muslim inventors Sharyar Rabiei, Firooz Rasouli and Mohammed Hajaligol. The metal oxide particulates consist of a combination of copper oxide, cerium oxide, titanium oxide, iron oxide and Yttrium, a radioactive rare-earth element… less than one micron in diameter, meaning they easily pass through the filter and are inhaled. This combination can then be applied to the cigarette paper or filler using an adhesive such as VINYL ACETATE, forming bands along the length of the cigarette. This toxic metallic mix, supposedly cuts down on carbon monoxide emissions from cigarette smoke, but in my opinion, there’s a far more sinister agenda. Smokers are now inhaling a mixture of toxic metallic nano-particulates which explains the metallic taste and sicknesses expressed by so many smokers to date. Nanoparticulates are more deeply ingested on a cellular level, meaning once they’re in the cell, they cannot be removed by conventional detoxifying methods and the above mentioned are known to break cells DNA strands and cause mutations. The result will be a myriad of new, aggressive forms of cancer which do not respond at all to conventional chemotherapy “treatment”. This, in combination with IMF/Soetoro proposed budget cuts to water treatment facilities and newly relaxed EPA standards on agricultural toxic waste disposal and the numerous “profit poisons” in our food will lead to a rapid decline in human population and health. The “official” FSC website conveniently refuses to mention these toxic metallic nanoparticulates. The question is…why are these now being added under the disguise of FDA tobacco (Dr. Lawrence Deyton)regulation via “The Tobacco Safety Act of 2009? Please research the above patent numbers for yourself. Obama gave the FDA (Dr. Lawrence Deyton) the power to do this. Here are the other EVIL BASTARDS and BITCHES who should be convicted of high crimes against Amercan citizens. Dr. Margret Hamburg, Kathleen Sibelius, Dr. Jeffrey Wigand, Dr. Les Weinstein. Dr. Lawrence Deyton known as “BOPPER” is the modern day Josef Mengele. He is the poster child for Nazi War Criminal. They should all be executed. please copy and paste this info everywhere you can!!!!Peace :) call the FDA and let them know that you know what they are up to 1 877 287 1373

#37 Bambi Viacello on 01.07.12 at 12:01 AM

Jeffrey Wigand is a LIAR and is seen a a hero. He is NO hero. He is one of the architects of the new killer FSC cigarettes. Give him a piece of your mind.
(989) 772-4063 Office Telephone
(989) 779-8730 Office Facsimile
(843) 367-4200 Cell

Or directly via email:
jwigand@jeffreywigand.com

#38 Jersey Kid on 01.10.12 at 1:22 PM

BAMBI – WOW!!!

#39 Biliegh on 01.24.12 at 12:42 AM

Getting really really tired of the taste and extreme bad feeling I get now when smoking I decided to see if I could find Anything! that would explain this. I smoke Basic Light 100′s and before that Marlboro Light 100′s I had switched cause I could not breath on the Marlboro’s. The other day I said Eff It and went and bought Mar.. and the taste is better and I do not feel as awful with them as I do the Basic Light’s…. I have two packs of the Basic’s and once these are gone I WILL NOT buy them ever again. And from now on I will be buying Mar every few days and supplimenting with an E-CIGG in between buy times of the Mar’s…. If they were pushing for the E-CIGG Industry they did thier job well!!!! I am done with Packs of Smokes and Will move on to E-CIGG but in the mean time they will see and hear me screamin and bitchen about what they have done to my health from these new smokes as well as my couch and blankets and car from the burn holes from the stupid cherry falling off every two seconds!!!!

#40 MR on 02.11.12 at 10:04 AM

Oh so thats the reason of bad taste- I was a regular smoker of Marlboro but I have been switching brands for the past two months in pursuit of nice cigarette- It seems like I’ll have to smoke in a pipe then

#41 Jennifer Masters on 02.29.12 at 10:44 PM

Something no one has mentioned is that there seems to be different levels of this new stuff in cigarettes of the same brand, an on-off effect that really has a way of making one feel that it’s all in their head. Truly, truly sinister.

#42 Trisha on 03.08.12 at 8:30 PM

Great to find this! I’ve been puzzled for months now: my cigarettes do taste awful, they smell awful too. They drop bits of ash, they go out, and they sometimes drop the end off when getting closer to the tip.
I had thought it was my sinuses causing the taste/smell, but noticed it drifting/lingering elsewhere other than in the room I smoke. Also, they are making walls and surfaces dirtier quicker!
I usually smoke a mix of Benson Hedges Silver and Mayfair Menthol or Sterling menthol (UK).

#43 Po Pi Po song on 03.10.12 at 5:35 AM

FSC labeled cigarettes leaves a chalky like residue aftertaste. If you think it tasted different then even from cigarettes as far back as 2003, you should post a response here. Heres something, Japan is a first rate nation and they are high on the list as regular smokers.

#44 Bambi Viacello on 03.15.12 at 4:01 AM

WHY IS OUR GOVERNMENT POISONING US????
SMOKER’S, ARE FSC CIGARETTES MAKING YOU SICK? Jeffrey Wigand’s agenda, post “The Insider”, is working closely with the FDA who have full control over tobacco. When I asked him personally (recently)about all the FSC cigarette illnesses, he denied knowing anything about it. That’s funny, two years earlier in an e-mail I sent him that HE responded to, he thanked me for bringing the FSC cigarette illnesses to his attention and that he would personally notify Dr. L a w r e n c e D e y t o n (HEAD LIAR @ FDA TOBACCO DIVISION). Wigand is a LIAR and is in bed with the FDA who are deliberately lacing cigarettes with new FSC chemicals to induce unorthodox illnesses to coerce smokers into quitting. Smokers in other countries are NOT experiencing this. WIGAND, the FDA and LAWRENCE DEYTON are EVIL …….. and should be convicted of crimes against American citizens. The needle is too good for these filthy ………

Here is why FSC cigarettes are making you sick. The signing of the new Tobacco Safety Act of 2009 by the IMF- CEO Barry Soetoro gives most Tobacco Corporations and their affiliated “parent” companys complete immunity from any resulting public sickness or illness as a result of any “modifications” to their product. Also, they are not required by law to notify the public of any related illness nor is any research required by the “government” pertaining to any illness claims by the public ( under Sec. 909 Records and Reports, articles (A) 3-6) and Sec 911 “Modified Risk Tobacco Products”) More than 27,000 smokers worldwide have signed a petition since the implementation of world-wide FSC or “Fire Safety Compliance” laws claiming a strong metallic taste, headaches, sores in their mouth, nausea and diarrhea. It has of course, fallen on deaf ears and has been completely ignored by our World Bank and IMF “government” and of course, corporations within the Tobacco Industry. But this…is just the tip of the iceburg. In 2000, Phillip Morris began using what they called “fire safe technology” in their Merit brand of cigarettes. Once again, this was done without any public notice whatsoever, just like the current FSC laws. They were sued by The Department of Justice in 2004 which forced them to change to the newer “government” standard of FSC cigarettes soon to be implemented for the first time in New York in 2005. Phillip Morris’ version obviously did not contain all of the unnecessary toxic metallic nanoparticulates. It’s interesting to note that the state with the highest amount of population within the US at the time, was the first to implement these newly formed FSC standards. Ironically, FSC cigarettes are called Reduced Ignition Propensity (or RIP) cigarettes by the Tobacco Industry. In US Patent 7,640,936 filed September of 2005, Phillip Morris scientists explain in depth, the introduction of metal oxide nano-particulates to their products. The same type US patent was recently granted to RJ Reynolds in 2010 (#20100122708). Note that these patents were granted AFTER US-CEO Barry Soetoro signed the Tobacco Safety Act of 2009, supposedly giving the FDA( Dr. Lawrence Deyton) and the US “government” control over tobacco additives. The nanoparticles are incorporated into tobacco filler material cigarette paper and/or filter material, according to Muslim inventors Sharyar Rabiei, Firooz Rasouli and Mohammed Hajaligol. The metal oxide particulates consist of a combination of copper oxide, cerium oxide, titanium oxide, iron oxide and Yttrium, a radioactive rare-earth element… less than one micron in diameter, meaning they easily pass through the filter and are inhaled. This combination can then be applied to the cigarette paper or filler using an adhesive such as VINYL ACETATE, forming bands along the length of the cigarette. This toxic metallic mix, supposedly cuts down on carbon monoxide emissions from cigarette smoke, but in my opinion, there’s a far more sinister agenda. Smokers are now inhaling a mixture of toxic metallic nano-particulates which explains the metallic taste and sicknesses expressed by so many smokers to date. Nanoparticulates are more deeply ingested on a cellular level, meaning once they’re in the cell, they cannot be removed by conventional detoxifying methods and the above mentioned are known to break cells DNA strands and cause mutations. The result will be a myriad of new, aggressive forms of cancer which do not respond at all to conventional chemotherapy “treatment”. This, in combination with IMF/Soetoro proposed budget cuts to water treatment facilities and newly relaxed EPA standards on agricultural toxic waste disposal and the numerous “profit poisons” in our food will lead to a rapid decline in human population and health. The “official” FSC website conveniently refuses to mention these toxic metallic nanoparticulates. In addition, nicotine levels in all American cigarettes have been cut in half while the tar levels have doubled. Thus, smokers are inhaling deeper and smoking more to achieve desired nicotine effect. The question is…why are these now being added under the disguise of FDA tobacco (Dr. Lawrence Deyton)regulation via “The Tobacco Safety Act of 2009? Please research the above patent numbers for yourself. Obama gave the FDA (Dr. Lawrence Deyton) the power to do this. Here are the other EVIL …….. and ……. who should be convicted of high crimes against Amercan citizens. Dr. Margret Hamburg, Kathleen Sibelius, Dr. Jeffrey Wigand, Surgeon General- Dr. Regina Benjamin, Dr. Les Weinstein. Dr. Lawrence Deyton known as “BOPPER” is the modern day Josef Mengele. He is the poster child for Nazi War Criminal. They should all be executed.

FDA 877 287 1373- Tobacco Division

Last name Deyton

First name Lawrence

Agency FDA

Organization DHHS/FDA/CTP/OMPT/CTP/OD

Job title DIRECTOR CTP

Building CORP

Room 100E

Duty station Rockville MD 20850

Phone 301-796-9217-this is Lawrence Deyton’s office number

Fax 240-276-3904

Internet e-mail lawrence.deyton@fda.hhs.gov

FDA 301 796 9239 Dr. Les Weinstein

Jeffrey Wigand

(989) 772-4063 Office Telephone

(989) 779-8730 Office Facsimile

(843) 367-4200 Cell

Or directly via email:

jwigand@jeffreywigand.com

#45 Kai on 08.21.12 at 2:52 AM

Wow, the evilness in these people. Enough to make you sick. Going to try to give up smoking. This is really sick stuff I am reading. Cigarettes have been tasting funny for a while now, thought at first they were Black market cigarettes, until I tried the same brand from numerous stores and they all tasted crappy. Enough people need to sign that petition and see if you can get the news to run it, this seems to be the only way today to get something accomplished is if your local or national news channel mentions it.

#46 Jason on 09.14.12 at 7:01 PM

@ #14 Mike

Ty for opening a new window for me i just thought i was getting a bad taste due to the fact ive been smoking for years. Since ive heard of this new chemicals FSC it makes alot more sense that I start getting headachs and other symptoms. The facts are right there in your comment, Please stop violating are rights!!

Speak up!

#47 stan on 10.07.12 at 1:41 PM

They taste like crap because the glue they use on the tube is carpet glue and the “speedbumps” that make them fire safe have the same chemicals as mothballs. Add the 100′s of added chems and you have a deathstick to puff on. The only solution to this problem I found was to use Natural American Spirit tobacco with either Smoker Friendly or Premier tubes and roll your frigging own.

#48 Claudia Vivarelli on 06.13.13 at 4:49 AM

I started smoking again a couple of weeks ago, and was immediately alarmed about the awful taste, headaches, and how quickly they burned. In Italy we’ve heard nothing about the new “safety” papers that have changed cigarettes. The fact that they burn so quickly means I smoke more. Ha !! More money for the tobacco industries and tax for the governments. If they are so concerned about health and safety hazards why don’t they just stop producing cigarettes, so we all have to stop and their lucrative industry disintegrates?

#49 Michael on 07.20.13 at 2:04 PM

For the last few years, Marlb. cigs I buy are always a ‘chance’ they taste very horrible. I buy at 7-11, high turn around, but no use. I have to stop. it makes me sick.

#50 Justin on 07.25.13 at 2:02 PM

If you Take your cigarettes out of the pack and set them in the microwave for 30 seconds it removes the FSC chemicals in the cigarettes

#51 Sash on 10.27.13 at 10:04 PM

Gotta quit now!

#52 Sash on 10.27.13 at 10:05 PM

http://healthwyze.org/index.php/component/content/article/303-fire-safe-cigarettes-and-the-genocide-against-smokers.html

#53 TobaccoToxDoc on 11.02.13 at 11:22 PM

FSC paper with alginate bands. See http://www.swmintl.com/products/lip-paper.aspx

Also see http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17590321 and http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17306918

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#55 Aha! on 09.28.14 at 2:19 PM

A couple of years ago, I started getting my cigs at discount places. Slowly, I started realizing that the Marlboro Ultra Lights were tasting stale. I assumed it was probably because the cigarettes were old. I started hopping around, buying them at more high volume stores and the horrible taste is still there. I thought I was going crazy. The odd thing is, I recently went to Fla on vacation, both packs I bought there tasted GREAT. Once I got back to TN, guess what?? The terrible taste is back. I am going to have to either quit, or try e-cigs.

#56 Vapor Vixen on 09.28.14 at 11:08 PM

Aha! – Its the paper.

#57 Matt E on 11.13.14 at 2:27 AM

FSC is government bureaucracy at its finest. They put a toxic substance in cigarettes for your health and saftey. I think I’m going to just start sniffing paint and call it a safe day. No fires here.

#58 Matt E on 11.13.14 at 2:33 AM

maybe they’ll start putting in in our turkeys next, you wouldn’t want a fire for thanksgiving, nevermind the cancer you just got, no fires. I didn’t realize the ratio of people dying in fires was so high. Insert sarcasm here. I think people should sue the government for their health problems related to this crap, so should the tobacco companies

#59 Aj on 11.13.14 at 11:30 PM

Damn bastards, found an old pack of smokes in a briefcase and its so much different from the crap they’re selling these days.

I guess it’s true everything Barry Obongo Soetoro touches turns to shit.

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