Comments on: Health Advocates Call For Changes In Cigar Tax

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By: Leif Grane

Leif Grane — Sat, 10 Jan 2009 11:26:49 +0000

Hey, Slick Willy (Bill)… No comebacks? No comments? (too stupid to click on “Notify me of followup comments via e-mail”??????)

Hypocrits like you make me sick to my stomach…

If only I could debate a gutless coward like you in public. (that would be more fun than snorting cocaine off a hooker’s tits while gambling at my local casino…)

By: Fedup with Gvmt hypocrisy

Fedup with Gvmt hypocrisy — Fri, 09 Jan 2009 06:11:00 +0000

Hey No Smoke Bill Guy – Leif Grane has some very good points!

By: Leif Grane

Leif Grane — Thu, 08 Jan 2009 22:00:17 +0000

The only way to be fair with all taxes is to tax all things equally (a simple sales tax at the same percentage). Unfortunately with Hussein Obama being sworn into office in only a couple of weeks, the unfair taxing is only going to get worse.

Unfortunately non-smokers (at least the stupid ones) seem to lump cigarette and cigar smokers together. While obviously there are some health risks to cigars, a couple of cigars a week not nearly as bad as smoking a couple of packs of cigarettes a day.

And Bill, I do agree that smokers while do not have the right to just light up anywhere they please, I don’t feel they deserve to be discriminated against for taxes either. We already pay sales tax on cigars, there’s no need to fund other programs (including Medicaid for illegal aliens) with cigar taxes. Maybe we could put the illegal aliens to work rolling cigars and they could pay for their own health care.

It’s just amazing how completely stupid you are with your comments. Maybe we could just expand on your idiotic beliefs and tax EVERYTHING that hurts anything. But it’s surprising to hear that you want to it to be legal for a hooker to be riding me while I’m snorting cocaine off her chest and playing a slot machine at the same time.

Why don’t you grow up and instead of attacking the smoker, protect them? Go after the cigarette manufacturers and change the laws preventing most of the chemical additives to cigarettes. Cocoa (increases the body’s ability to absorb nicotine), menthol (numbs the throat to make inhaling easier) sugar (sweetens cigarettes to make them more attractive to younger smokers), ammonia compounds (deliver nicotine faster to the body), and I could go on and on.

Why don’t you go after something that would make more sense (chemicals making cigarettes more addictive) instead of going after products that are mostly natural (cigars). If you wanted to get legislation passed increasing taxes on cigarettes with unnatural additives designed to increase addiction, I would be all for it. But for now, I will just maintain my opinion of you being a moron, although maybe the hookers would be OK… (I hope I didn’t “defame” you…)

By: ...

... — Tue, 23 Dec 2008 15:08:03 +0000

jancascade: I beleive that the only difference is that the new Camel Dissavables contain tobacco as the drug companies are just using nicotine extract in their product????

By: jancascade

jancascade — Mon, 22 Dec 2008 03:34:47 +0000

This editorial was in our newspaper today:

http://www.oregonlive.com/opinion/index.ssf/2008/12/camel_dissolvables_head_for_po.html

Will someone tell me how Camel Dissovables are any different than the nicotine replacement products manufactured by Johnson & Johnson. The only thing I see as different is the Camel Dissolvables will by taxed as a tobacco product, but the drug company offering that contain nicotine are not. Are J&J products any less additctive than Camel Dissolvables? Please, don’t tell me the drug companies don’t target kids with their advertising.

I love the don’t do drugs, unless your doctor writes you a prescription. How confusing that must be for kids today. A real mixed message.

By: Jersey Kid

Jersey Kid — Wed, 17 Dec 2008 23:37:11 +0000

The debate centered around what is a cigar and what is a cigarette will center on the following considerations:
Any tobacco product that has one seam will be considered a cigarette, regardless of the color of the
wrapper or size of the product.
Any tobacco product that has a spiral wrapper will
be considered a cigar.
History should be also taken into consideration;
and smoker perspection is also to be considered.
The chemical makeup of the tobacco itself
should be considered.
Our lawmakers will have to be educated on
all of the above if they are to make a wise
decision that affects the taxation of these products.
OTP Kid, your opening comment that the cigar business has enjoyed an “unfair advantage” is questionable.
How do you compare a Million Dollar Business (cigars)to a Billion Dollar Business (cigarettes) and say there is an “unfair advantage”? Just read the last entry written
by “jancascade”; she is obviously at the POS and reports that the cigarette smoker does not like
small cigars. Now, we all know there is some crossover.
However, crossover exists more freqently with the
cigarette smoker going to the moist snuff category.
Again, OTP Kid, I believe you are comparing “apples to oranges”, and is never a good thing.

By: jancascade

jancascade — Mon, 08 Dec 2008 03:55:52 +0000

I see the effort to tax small cigars as cigarettes as just another tax grab from the greedy.

Cigarette smokers do not like the small cigars at all. Hell would freeze over before a Camel or Marlboro smoker would smoke a little cigar. I am a retailer, I deal with smokers all day long.

Small cigars have thier market and their following, but they are not former cigarette smokers. Cigarette smokers will go down to a lower priced cigarette and only buy thier brand once in awhile, but they do not choose small cigars to replace their brands, no matter how much less the price.

By: Smoker Babe

Smoker Babe — Wed, 03 Dec 2008 03:35:32 +0000

The government will continue to tax tobacco since folks that use tobacco products are in the minority. Its easy to tax these products rather than others that also present harm to the user are consumed by a majority of the people. It’s that easy!