Comments on: UK Consultation on Tobacco Control: Real opportunity or false dawn for Tobacco Harm Reduction? http://www.tobaccotoday.info/2008/07/02/uk-consultation-on-tobacco-control-real-opportunity-or-false-dawn-for-tobacco-harm-reduction/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=uk-consultation-on-tobacco-control-real-opportunity-or-false-dawn-for-tobacco-harm-reduction Information on the Tobacco industry Wed, 08 Feb 2012 20:41:41 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: adrian http://www.tobaccotoday.info/2008/07/02/uk-consultation-on-tobacco-control-real-opportunity-or-false-dawn-for-tobacco-harm-reduction/comment-page-1/#comment-552 adrian Thu, 04 Sep 2008 17:50:37 +0000 http://www.tobaccotoday.info/2008/07/02/uk-consultation-on-tobacco-control-real-opportunity-or-false-dawn-for-tobacco-harm-reduction/#comment-552 to kentucky rebel What I think I will do is summarise my thoughts via the blog once the submission deadline has passed. It's not that I'm being paranoid, but I really don't want to be accused by anyone of leading the horses. As for being smart in what they say, get your drift, even though I'm somewhat flattered! The great thing about harm reduction is that it's common sense. I'd recommend anyone who doubts this to read the following two articles: Tobacco harm reduction: an alternative cessation strategy for inveterate smokers. Rodu, B and Godshall, W.T. http://www.harmreductionjournal.com/content/3/1/37 3:37, 2006 Tobacco harm reduction: How rational public policy could transform a pandemic. Sweanor, D., Alcabes, P. and Drucker, E. International Journal of Drug Policy 18: 70-74, 2007 The only problem is that the politics of tobacco are a lot more complex than the science! Everyone I talk to gets it, even politicians. The problem is that tobacco is seen by many as a hot potato, that they don't won't to be caught holding. to kentucky rebel

What I think I will do is summarise my thoughts via the blog once the submission deadline has passed. It’s not that I’m being paranoid, but I really don’t want to be accused by anyone of leading the horses. As for being smart in what they say, get your drift, even though I’m somewhat flattered! The great thing about harm reduction is that it’s common sense. I’d recommend anyone who doubts this to read the following two articles: Tobacco harm reduction: an alternative cessation strategy for inveterate smokers. Rodu, B and Godshall, W.T. http://www.harmreductionjournal.com/content/3/1/37 3:37, 2006
Tobacco harm reduction: How rational public policy could transform a pandemic. Sweanor, D., Alcabes, P. and Drucker, E. International Journal of Drug Policy 18: 70-74, 2007

The only problem is that the politics of tobacco are a lot more complex than the science!

Everyone I talk to gets it, even politicians. The problem is that tobacco is seen by many as a hot potato, that they don’t won’t to be caught holding.

]]> By: kentucky rebel http://www.tobaccotoday.info/2008/07/02/uk-consultation-on-tobacco-control-real-opportunity-or-false-dawn-for-tobacco-harm-reduction/comment-page-1/#comment-550 kentucky rebel Wed, 03 Sep 2008 04:05:11 +0000 http://www.tobaccotoday.info/2008/07/02/uk-consultation-on-tobacco-control-real-opportunity-or-false-dawn-for-tobacco-harm-reduction/#comment-550 Adrian, Will you be putting your thoughts on the blog? I'm sure they would be very insightful. It would help get out the knowledge that is needed for others to be "smart" in what they say! Adrian,

Will you be putting your thoughts on the blog? I’m sure they would be very insightful. It would help get out the knowledge that is needed for others to be “smart” in what they say!

]]> By: adrian http://www.tobaccotoday.info/2008/07/02/uk-consultation-on-tobacco-control-real-opportunity-or-false-dawn-for-tobacco-harm-reduction/comment-page-1/#comment-549 adrian Tue, 02 Sep 2008 18:39:15 +0000 http://www.tobaccotoday.info/2008/07/02/uk-consultation-on-tobacco-control-real-opportunity-or-false-dawn-for-tobacco-harm-reduction/#comment-549 To Kentucky Rebel You are absolutely right. I am just finalising my comments to the UK DoH consultation document and hope that others might also be doing so. Only by making our voice heard will there be any challenge to the outmoded and outdated moralistic groupthink that otherwise exists. Having said that, there are a few brave individuals who aren't afraid to stand up and be counted, we just need more of them! To Kentucky Rebel

You are absolutely right. I am just finalising my comments to the UK DoH consultation document and hope that others might also be doing so. Only by making our voice heard will there be any challenge to the outmoded and outdated moralistic groupthink that otherwise exists. Having said that, there are a few brave individuals who aren’t afraid to stand up and be counted, we just need more of them!

]]> By: kentucky rebel http://www.tobaccotoday.info/2008/07/02/uk-consultation-on-tobacco-control-real-opportunity-or-false-dawn-for-tobacco-harm-reduction/comment-page-1/#comment-547 kentucky rebel Mon, 01 Sep 2008 21:42:54 +0000 http://www.tobaccotoday.info/2008/07/02/uk-consultation-on-tobacco-control-real-opportunity-or-false-dawn-for-tobacco-harm-reduction/#comment-547 I believe if more people become seriously involved and work quickly that we can use opportunities like the UK Consultation to open the debate. If we can get the same activity here in the US with key individuals maybe we will be able to get the Senate to force the issue. But we can't just sit back. We need to get our voice heard regarding harm reduction. I mean look at the FDA's ability as we watch a very harmful drug, Chantix stay on the market. I often look at BIG PHARMA and just wonder what is the difference between them and BIG TOBACCO. I believe if more people become seriously involved and work quickly that we can use opportunities like the UK Consultation to open the debate. If we can get the same activity here in the US with key individuals maybe we will be able to get the Senate to force the issue. But we can’t just sit back. We need to get our voice heard regarding harm reduction. I mean look at the FDA’s ability as we watch a very harmful drug, Chantix stay on the market. I often look at BIG PHARMA and just wonder what is the difference between them and BIG TOBACCO.

]]> By: CIG GUY http://www.tobaccotoday.info/2008/07/02/uk-consultation-on-tobacco-control-real-opportunity-or-false-dawn-for-tobacco-harm-reduction/comment-page-1/#comment-509 CIG GUY Fri, 08 Aug 2008 21:10:49 +0000 http://www.tobaccotoday.info/2008/07/02/uk-consultation-on-tobacco-control-real-opportunity-or-false-dawn-for-tobacco-harm-reduction/#comment-509 WOW - This tobacco kills guy is off his rocker. He is just so brain washed. I mean we know that not all tobacco kills folks. And there are obviously differences between smoking and dipping. Just seems like he has a problem. WOW – This tobacco kills guy is off his rocker. He is just so brain washed. I mean we know that not all tobacco kills folks. And there are obviously differences between smoking and dipping. Just seems like he has a problem.

]]> By: TOBACCO KILLS http://www.tobaccotoday.info/2008/07/02/uk-consultation-on-tobacco-control-real-opportunity-or-false-dawn-for-tobacco-harm-reduction/comment-page-1/#comment-434 TOBACCO KILLS Tue, 22 Jul 2008 05:47:00 +0000 http://www.tobaccotoday.info/2008/07/02/uk-consultation-on-tobacco-control-real-opportunity-or-false-dawn-for-tobacco-harm-reduction/#comment-434 THIS BLOG IS VERY INTERESTING BUT IT SEEMS LIKE IT IS ONLY READ BY FOLKS THAT ARE WANTING TO KEEP TOBACCO USE AT A HIGH LEVEL. LET'S FACE IT FOLKS YOU ALL KNOW TOBACCO KILLS PEOPLE JUST LIKE WALKING ACROSS THE STREET IN FRONT OF A 18 WHEEL TRACTOR TRAILER. THE WORLD WILL BE SO MUCH OF A BETTER PLACE WHEN TOBACCO IS NO LONGER USED. I DON'T EVER SEE THE FOLKS THAT KNOW TOBACCO KILLS WORKING OUT A COMPROMISE POSITION WITH THOSE LYING & DECEIVING TOBACCO COMPANIES. WE WILL BE A STEP CLOSER TO GETTING RID OF TOBACCO WITH FDA REGULATION, NEW LEGISLATION OUTLAWING SMOKING IN THE HOME AND THE NEXT PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION. VICTORY WILL BE OURS! THIS BLOG IS VERY INTERESTING BUT IT SEEMS LIKE IT IS ONLY READ BY FOLKS THAT ARE WANTING TO KEEP TOBACCO USE AT A HIGH LEVEL. LET’S FACE IT FOLKS YOU ALL KNOW TOBACCO KILLS PEOPLE JUST LIKE WALKING ACROSS THE STREET IN FRONT OF A 18 WHEEL TRACTOR TRAILER. THE WORLD WILL BE SO MUCH OF A BETTER PLACE WHEN TOBACCO IS NO LONGER USED. I DON’T EVER SEE THE FOLKS THAT KNOW TOBACCO KILLS WORKING OUT A COMPROMISE POSITION WITH THOSE LYING & DECEIVING TOBACCO COMPANIES. WE WILL BE A STEP CLOSER TO GETTING RID OF TOBACCO WITH FDA REGULATION, NEW LEGISLATION OUTLAWING SMOKING IN THE HOME AND THE NEXT PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION. VICTORY WILL BE OURS!

]]> By: CIG GUY http://www.tobaccotoday.info/2008/07/02/uk-consultation-on-tobacco-control-real-opportunity-or-false-dawn-for-tobacco-harm-reduction/comment-page-1/#comment-418 CIG GUY Thu, 17 Jul 2008 01:47:22 +0000 http://www.tobaccotoday.info/2008/07/02/uk-consultation-on-tobacco-control-real-opportunity-or-false-dawn-for-tobacco-harm-reduction/#comment-418 Thanks Adrian - I for one do think that one day someone will develop a cigarette that will be safe. The issue will be whether it can get pass all the folks that just go berserk when the thought of tobacco being safe is gets verbalized. Thanks Adrian – I for one do think that one day someone will develop a cigarette that will be safe. The issue will be whether it can get pass all the folks that just go berserk when the thought of tobacco being safe is gets verbalized.

]]> By: Adrian http://www.tobaccotoday.info/2008/07/02/uk-consultation-on-tobacco-control-real-opportunity-or-false-dawn-for-tobacco-harm-reduction/comment-page-1/#comment-396 Adrian Fri, 11 Jul 2008 18:50:26 +0000 http://www.tobaccotoday.info/2008/07/02/uk-consultation-on-tobacco-control-real-opportunity-or-false-dawn-for-tobacco-harm-reduction/#comment-396 In response to CigGuy - yes you can measure the level of carcinogens and TSNAs in the smoke, but it's very hard to find a consensus as to what (or by how much) you would have to reduce them to make the product safer. There is also the issue of reducing exposure rather than simply delivery, while at the same time and developing a product assessment framework that takes into account biomarkers of harm. It's crucial to have bi-partisan (industry/public health) discussion on developing such a framework. There is also the possibility that simply having smoke passing through your airways (not natural unless you are a dragon!) causes a non-specific inflammatory response that pre-disposes to disease. In response to CigGuy – yes you can measure the level of carcinogens and TSNAs in the smoke, but it’s very hard to find a consensus as to what (or by how much) you would have to reduce them to make the product safer. There is also the issue of reducing exposure rather than simply delivery, while at the same time and developing a product assessment framework that takes into account biomarkers of harm. It’s crucial to have bi-partisan (industry/public health) discussion on developing such a framework. There is also the possibility that simply having smoke passing through your airways (not natural unless you are a dragon!) causes a non-specific inflammatory response that pre-disposes to disease.

]]> By: CIG GUY http://www.tobaccotoday.info/2008/07/02/uk-consultation-on-tobacco-control-real-opportunity-or-false-dawn-for-tobacco-harm-reduction/comment-page-1/#comment-391 CIG GUY Fri, 11 Jul 2008 06:44:09 +0000 http://www.tobaccotoday.info/2008/07/02/uk-consultation-on-tobacco-control-real-opportunity-or-false-dawn-for-tobacco-harm-reduction/#comment-391 I was wondering after reading the comments above. Can't one measure the levels of carcinogens and TNA'S? If one can do that would not the reduction or elimination led one to believe the product was safer? How does that work? I was wondering after reading the comments above. Can’t one measure the levels of carcinogens and TNA’S? If one can do that would not the reduction or elimination led one to believe the product was safer? How does that work?

]]> By: Adrian http://www.tobaccotoday.info/2008/07/02/uk-consultation-on-tobacco-control-real-opportunity-or-false-dawn-for-tobacco-harm-reduction/comment-page-1/#comment-387 Adrian Thu, 10 Jul 2008 16:51:49 +0000 http://www.tobaccotoday.info/2008/07/02/uk-consultation-on-tobacco-control-real-opportunity-or-false-dawn-for-tobacco-harm-reduction/#comment-387 Chris- No sense at all! But the politics of tobacco are unfortunately sometimes more complex than the science! Having said that, the major tobacco companies have invested a lot into developing cigarettes that may be endorsed as potentially being less harmful, but it's a long hard road and needs a bi-partisan approach (industry/public health) to develop and agree an appropriate testing framework. It's just not possible to drive R&D strategy on 'safer' cigarettes if you have to wait 30 years for epidemiological results. Chris- No sense at all! But the politics of tobacco are unfortunately sometimes more complex than the science! Having said that, the major tobacco companies have invested a lot into developing cigarettes that may be endorsed as potentially being less harmful, but it’s a long hard road and needs a bi-partisan approach (industry/public health) to develop and agree an appropriate testing framework. It’s just not possible to drive R&D strategy on ‘safer’ cigarettes if you have to wait 30 years for epidemiological results.

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