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	<title>Comments on: THE NEW FRONTIER OF ASH &#8211; BANNING SMOKING IN THE HOME!</title>
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		<title>By: Bill Godshall</title>
		<link>http://www.tobaccotoday.info/2008/06/29/the-new-frontier-of-ash-banning-smoking-in-the-home/comment-page-1/#comment-1084</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Godshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 18:54:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Other municipalities (especially in California and elsewere with high incomes and low smoking rates) are likely to enacted comprehensive smokefree ordinances like the one in Belmont.   Similarly, many hotel chains, condo associations, apartment buildings and other multi unit dwellings have implemented smokefree policies in the past several years, and many more are likely to do so in the next several years.  

These are additional reason why smokers should switch to far less hazardous smokefree tobacco/nicotine products, or at least use them as a temporary substitute when/where smoking isn&#039;t permitted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Other municipalities (especially in California and elsewere with high incomes and low smoking rates) are likely to enacted comprehensive smokefree ordinances like the one in Belmont.   Similarly, many hotel chains, condo associations, apartment buildings and other multi unit dwellings have implemented smokefree policies in the past several years, and many more are likely to do so in the next several years.  </p>
<p>These are additional reason why smokers should switch to far less hazardous smokefree tobacco/nicotine products, or at least use them as a temporary substitute when/where smoking isn&#8217;t permitted.</p>
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		<title>By: TAZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>TAZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 16:46:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>San Jose Mercury News 
January 13, 2009 - 
SAN JOSE, CA – Going far beyond other California smoking ordinances, Belmont, a town of 25,000 residents just north of Palo Alto, passed a smoking ban that extends indoors — to apartments and condominium units, the San Jose Mercury News reports.

The controversial ordinance, effective January 9, is the most restrictive smoking law in a state that already prohibits lighting up in any public commercial building — restaurants, bars and businesses. Belmont’s law extends the ban to any “multistory, multiunit dwelling.” Transgressors will be fined $100.

Enforcing the latest restriction will be “complaint driven” — In other words, neighbors will be required to “rat out” a violator to get the wheels of justice moving — or in Belmont’s case, the designated code enforcement officer.

“I’m more like the stick than the...pointy tip,” said Kirk Buckman, an officer for Belmont’s community development department who is in charge of extinguishing the city’s smoking offenders. “But it’s all part of the job. They enact ‘em. I’m paid to enforce ‘em.”

The controversial residential ban has some Belmont residents upset. 

&quot;I&#039;m very agitated,&quot; said Howard Odessky,” who lives in a 16-unit apartment building. “I&#039;ve had three cigarettes in my apartment already this morning...I&#039;m going to continue to smoke in my house, in Belmont...I don&#039;t want to be a jerk about the whole thing, but, after all, a man&#039;s home is his castle.&quot;

The ban passed the city council by a 3-2 vote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>San Jose Mercury News<br />
January 13, 2009 &#8211;<br />
SAN JOSE, CA – Going far beyond other California smoking ordinances, Belmont, a town of 25,000 residents just north of Palo Alto, passed a smoking ban that extends indoors — to apartments and condominium units, the San Jose Mercury News reports.</p>
<p>The controversial ordinance, effective January 9, is the most restrictive smoking law in a state that already prohibits lighting up in any public commercial building — restaurants, bars and businesses. Belmont’s law extends the ban to any “multistory, multiunit dwelling.” Transgressors will be fined $100.</p>
<p>Enforcing the latest restriction will be “complaint driven” — In other words, neighbors will be required to “rat out” a violator to get the wheels of justice moving — or in Belmont’s case, the designated code enforcement officer.</p>
<p>“I’m more like the stick than the&#8230;pointy tip,” said Kirk Buckman, an officer for Belmont’s community development department who is in charge of extinguishing the city’s smoking offenders. “But it’s all part of the job. They enact ‘em. I’m paid to enforce ‘em.”</p>
<p>The controversial residential ban has some Belmont residents upset. </p>
<p>&#8220;I&#8217;m very agitated,&#8221; said Howard Odessky,” who lives in a 16-unit apartment building. “I&#8217;ve had three cigarettes in my apartment already this morning&#8230;I&#8217;m going to continue to smoke in my house, in Belmont&#8230;I don&#8217;t want to be a jerk about the whole thing, but, after all, a man&#8217;s home is his castle.&#8221;</p>
<p>The ban passed the city council by a 3-2 vote.</p>
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		<title>By: IRON CITY SMOKER</title>
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		<dc:creator>IRON CITY SMOKER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 06:03:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Tobacco Kills guy probably supports legalization of pot! Look at California banning cigarette sales but wanting to legalize pot. I wonder if you can smoke pot in public?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Tobacco Kills guy probably supports legalization of pot! Look at California banning cigarette sales but wanting to legalize pot. I wonder if you can smoke pot in public?</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Godshall</title>
		<link>http://www.tobaccotoday.info/2008/06/29/the-new-frontier-of-ash-banning-smoking-in-the-home/comment-page-1/#comment-593</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Godshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 19:09:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response to postings by Mike Sawyer (aka Tobacco Kills), an average of 437,902 deaths in the U.S. were attributed to cigarette smoking annually from 1997 to 2001.  Source: MMWR 7/1/05 http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5425a1.htm

In sharp contrast, epidemiological studies estimate  that smokeless tobacco products are attributable for no more than several hundred oral cancer deaths annually in the US.  Cigarette smoking also poses a far greater (5-10 times greater) risk of oral cancer than does smokeless tobacco use.

In sum, daily cigarette smoking poses about 100 times greater risk of premature death than does daily smokeless tobacco use.

Smokers can greatly reduce their risks of disease and death simply by substituting smokeless tobacco products (or even less hazardous nicotine gum, lozenges or inhalers) for cigarettes. 

Brad Rodu and I authored a peer reviewed article on this issue entitled &quot;Tobacco harm reduction: an alternative cessation strategy for inveterate smokers&quot; http://www.harmreductionjournal.com/content/3/1/37

Since Mike Sawyer has received many different e-mails from me containing research and news articles about the comparable health risks of different tobacco products,  I don&#039;t understand why he posted those comments  and criticisms on this blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to postings by Mike Sawyer (aka Tobacco Kills), an average of 437,902 deaths in the U.S. were attributed to cigarette smoking annually from 1997 to 2001.  Source: MMWR 7/1/05 <a href="http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5425a1.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5425a1.htm</a></p>
<p>In sharp contrast, epidemiological studies estimate  that smokeless tobacco products are attributable for no more than several hundred oral cancer deaths annually in the US.  Cigarette smoking also poses a far greater (5-10 times greater) risk of oral cancer than does smokeless tobacco use.</p>
<p>In sum, daily cigarette smoking poses about 100 times greater risk of premature death than does daily smokeless tobacco use.</p>
<p>Smokers can greatly reduce their risks of disease and death simply by substituting smokeless tobacco products (or even less hazardous nicotine gum, lozenges or inhalers) for cigarettes. </p>
<p>Brad Rodu and I authored a peer reviewed article on this issue entitled &#8220;Tobacco harm reduction: an alternative cessation strategy for inveterate smokers&#8221; <a href="http://www.harmreductionjournal.com/content/3/1/37" rel="nofollow">http://www.harmreductionjournal.com/content/3/1/37</a></p>
<p>Since Mike Sawyer has received many different e-mails from me containing research and news articles about the comparable health risks of different tobacco products,  I don&#8217;t understand why he posted those comments  and criticisms on this blog.</p>
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		<title>By: John Rolfe</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Rolfe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 19:44:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My apologies for the delay in responding to your request for evidence regarding the 98% less harmful claim for smokeless.  This comes from many noted authorities in the tobacco control field including Jonathan Foulds at the RWJ supported New Jersey School of Medicine and Dentistry who runs a leading smoking cessation program, and from  Bill Godshall who runs Smokefree Pennsylvania, and from Dr. Brad Rodu a pathologist at the University of Louisville, and several hundred other researchers in public health who have also noted that oral cancer rates higher for cigarette smokers than for snuff users and that the lung effects on snuff users are pretty close to nil whereas COPD problems are the principal health effects for smokers.  What data to you have to disprove these authorities?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My apologies for the delay in responding to your request for evidence regarding the 98% less harmful claim for smokeless.  This comes from many noted authorities in the tobacco control field including Jonathan Foulds at the RWJ supported New Jersey School of Medicine and Dentistry who runs a leading smoking cessation program, and from  Bill Godshall who runs Smokefree Pennsylvania, and from Dr. Brad Rodu a pathologist at the University of Louisville, and several hundred other researchers in public health who have also noted that oral cancer rates higher for cigarette smokers than for snuff users and that the lung effects on snuff users are pretty close to nil whereas COPD problems are the principal health effects for smokers.  What data to you have to disprove these authorities?</p>
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		<title>By: TOBACCO KILLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>TOBACCO KILLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 06:37:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Rolfe,
It&#039;s been some time but I have yet to see a response from you as to who has proven that smokeless is 98% safer than cigarettes. Can you provide scientific prove or you just make up the claim?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Rolfe,<br />
It&#8217;s been some time but I have yet to see a response from you as to who has proven that smokeless is 98% safer than cigarettes. Can you provide scientific prove or you just make up the claim?</p>
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		<title>By: TAZ</title>
		<link>http://www.tobaccotoday.info/2008/06/29/the-new-frontier-of-ash-banning-smoking-in-the-home/comment-page-1/#comment-522</link>
		<dc:creator>TAZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:15:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The question I ask is how much money was spent on this project? Like the results were not obvious? Can we all say, DAH?


United States
A study conducted by researchers at the Boston University School of Public Health in Massachusetts and scheduled to be published in the October issue of the American Journal of Public Health found that teens living in households that allow smoking are more likely to perceive the habit as socially acceptable, compared with teens whose parents have banned smoking at home. (Newswise 08/13)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The question I ask is how much money was spent on this project? Like the results were not obvious? Can we all say, DAH?</p>
<p>United States<br />
A study conducted by researchers at the Boston University School of Public Health in Massachusetts and scheduled to be published in the October issue of the American Journal of Public Health found that teens living in households that allow smoking are more likely to perceive the habit as socially acceptable, compared with teens whose parents have banned smoking at home. (Newswise 08/13)</p>
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		<title>By: TOBACCO KILLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>TOBACCO KILLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 23:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Rolfe,

How are you capable of saying that there other forms of tobacco that are 98%-99% safer. Where is the proof? Can you actually provide this or are you just so blinded by the profits of the tobacco industry? Tobacco kills how many people when smoked, second hand and even referencing that some forms are safer implies that some people still die from it. Is the number close to 450,000 people each year. Is that not enough to just say enough is enough it needs to go away? Tobacco companies be trusted? Are you kidding? I mean look at how history has proven that they lie. I mean how do we know that a new product won&#039;t be found to be more harmful in the future. I also don&#039;t think that FDA regulation is the answer as that organization is not capable of figuring out whether a tomato kills or a jalapeno kills. So I would much rather see proof of what your saying. I do know a lot of people are dying because of tobacco! If there was a toy out in the industry that caused harm to a child would it not be banned? Would folks not demand that it be made safe? If one could make tobacco safe I&#039;d be for that but what are the chances of that ever happening. Just by referencing harm reduction means harm still exists. So further enlighten me and I will consider your scientific and medicallt driven proof.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Rolfe,</p>
<p>How are you capable of saying that there other forms of tobacco that are 98%-99% safer. Where is the proof? Can you actually provide this or are you just so blinded by the profits of the tobacco industry? Tobacco kills how many people when smoked, second hand and even referencing that some forms are safer implies that some people still die from it. Is the number close to 450,000 people each year. Is that not enough to just say enough is enough it needs to go away? Tobacco companies be trusted? Are you kidding? I mean look at how history has proven that they lie. I mean how do we know that a new product won&#8217;t be found to be more harmful in the future. I also don&#8217;t think that FDA regulation is the answer as that organization is not capable of figuring out whether a tomato kills or a jalapeno kills. So I would much rather see proof of what your saying. I do know a lot of people are dying because of tobacco! If there was a toy out in the industry that caused harm to a child would it not be banned? Would folks not demand that it be made safe? If one could make tobacco safe I&#8217;d be for that but what are the chances of that ever happening. Just by referencing harm reduction means harm still exists. So further enlighten me and I will consider your scientific and medicallt driven proof.</p>
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		<title>By: NWTobacco</title>
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		<dc:creator>NWTobacco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 20:31:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Rolfe,

I&#039;d like to add the point that there are those who just out right want to smoke regardless of whether there are health claims related to smoking. I know enough folks that believe it is within their civil rights as long as it is not affecting others to choose to smoke. Does everyone who smokes die - yes, but do they all die from smoking - no!
Driving a car kills - do we tell people no more driving? Where is the Anti Driving Coalition? Drinking diet soda has been linked to cancer - is there a Anti Diet Soda Coalition that is harrassing the beverage industry? Where is the Anti Tanning Salon Coalition to protest the cause that tanning causes cancer. Me thinks that someone is behind the scene funding the anti smoking coalition which is truly spewing a misrepresentation of the facts. I get so tired of all the folks who use data from reports but just pick out portions that they can use to support their cause. And the public is just so misinformed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Rolfe,</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to add the point that there are those who just out right want to smoke regardless of whether there are health claims related to smoking. I know enough folks that believe it is within their civil rights as long as it is not affecting others to choose to smoke. Does everyone who smokes die &#8211; yes, but do they all die from smoking &#8211; no!<br />
Driving a car kills &#8211; do we tell people no more driving? Where is the Anti Driving Coalition? Drinking diet soda has been linked to cancer &#8211; is there a Anti Diet Soda Coalition that is harrassing the beverage industry? Where is the Anti Tanning Salon Coalition to protest the cause that tanning causes cancer. Me thinks that someone is behind the scene funding the anti smoking coalition which is truly spewing a misrepresentation of the facts. I get so tired of all the folks who use data from reports but just pick out portions that they can use to support their cause. And the public is just so misinformed.</p>
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		<title>By: John Rolfe</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Rolfe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 16:58:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is too bad that Tobacco Kills does not offer us on this blog some way out of the tobacco epidemic, given that everyone here already knows that tobacco is harmful.  What others here agree, however, is that we do not routinely substitute the word &quot;tobacco&quot; for the word &quot;smoking&quot; since many of us anyway, based on what I have been reading here, know that there are forms of tobacco use that are much less harmful -- 98-99% less harmful -- than others.  We also know that the rate of decline in the smoking prevalence rate in most developed marked has declined in the past several years and that society is down to the hard-core smokers who are not or will not or can not quit.  Now the question for Tobacco Kills, is what does the quit or die Tobacco Control movement offer these people?  More demonizing of consumers and manufacturers even if that no longer works?  So yes, Tobacco Kills, let&#039;s have this debate: if you care so much about human life how come you don&#039;t want tobacco companies to have the right to communicate these relative risk levels to the public so the public can make an informed choice not to smoke...but to get their nicotine in some other less harmful form if they can not or will not quit and certainly have not quit?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is too bad that Tobacco Kills does not offer us on this blog some way out of the tobacco epidemic, given that everyone here already knows that tobacco is harmful.  What others here agree, however, is that we do not routinely substitute the word &#8220;tobacco&#8221; for the word &#8220;smoking&#8221; since many of us anyway, based on what I have been reading here, know that there are forms of tobacco use that are much less harmful &#8212; 98-99% less harmful &#8212; than others.  We also know that the rate of decline in the smoking prevalence rate in most developed marked has declined in the past several years and that society is down to the hard-core smokers who are not or will not or can not quit.  Now the question for Tobacco Kills, is what does the quit or die Tobacco Control movement offer these people?  More demonizing of consumers and manufacturers even if that no longer works?  So yes, Tobacco Kills, let&#8217;s have this debate: if you care so much about human life how come you don&#8217;t want tobacco companies to have the right to communicate these relative risk levels to the public so the public can make an informed choice not to smoke&#8230;but to get their nicotine in some other less harmful form if they can not or will not quit and certainly have not quit?</p>
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