Fire-Safe Compliant (FSC) cigarettes – The rising costs of compliance

Cigarette manufacturing profit margins are just about to get squeezed again in the developing Fire-safe cigarette debacle.

To start; fire-safe paper – aka LIP paper – costs 6-9 times as much as regular cigarette paper. This means in the range of $60 – $90 per bobbin. This assumes you can find a source.

Next comes the testing required to demonstrate compliance with regulations – Laboratory testing can run $8,000 and if your product doesn’t pass – the exercise needs to be repeated.

Last, and this one will become a major issue for the smaller independents, is annual registration and compliance fees levied by each State.

These fees vary considerably. Some are levied by brand others by SKU and are $250 – $3,000 per brand / SKU – depending on the State. For now this cost is around $500,000 if you have 4-5 brands and register them in those states requiring FSC cigarettes.

You can expect these fees to increase and become more consistent between States.  This will increase to several million dollars a year in registration fees.

The fees will increase the fixed cost of compliance and registration. Operating margins will be hit and for smaller operations this may be beyond their means – ultimately contributing to their demise or consolidation.

Fair? What do you think? What about competition?

56 comments ↓

#1 IsBiggerBetter? on 04.07.08 at 6:15 PM

As long as it costs all competitors the same or as long as the largest of the large can continue to buy their bobbins at the least cost, given their volumes, they will achieve more and more competitive advantages by playing the health card to make it more and more expensive for others to play the competitive game. No surprise in any of this it has been going on for some time.

#2 TAZ on 04.09.08 at 12:01 AM

Vector Group Ltd. subsidiary, Liggett Group LLC, revealed plans to voluntarily convert the manufacturing of all its domestic cigarette brands to comply with state cigarette fire safety standards beginning January 2009, the company stated.

#3 buz on 05.13.08 at 9:12 PM

How do you like these new FSC cigarettes?

#4 RENEGADE on 07.21.08 at 9:45 PM

I hate them! Ruins the taste of a cigarette.

#5 CeeMGee on 11.17.08 at 5:43 PM

Ummm – You sing the blues about costs – Buahahaha – who pays that? The consumer!! Not to mention; as a result of the blues mentioned above you *will* profit from this.
And you didn’t even have the stones to tell us before you did it? Oh – it’s s’posed to help stop forest fires in California.
Oh yeah – did I forget that you now make a more efficient killing machine? Last I looked cigars self extingush because they contain tobacco and nothing else.
I don’t care which government said what – you have the choice of fighting this – you fight for *your* rights – how about your *customer’s* rights?
Dig in your warchest and send your little boyz in DC with lobbying dollars and help us out. It will help both of us ya know!!
Gosh guys – you already kill us for profit – hows about you cough up a few to make a *less dangerous product.
What a scam.

And FWIW since you (and the government) hid the facts –

The Testing (awwww you gotta make sure your product is consistent) – http://firesafecigarettes.org/assets/files/NISTstandard.pdf

The Solution = LIP paper = Sodium silicate =
Kill ‘em faster boyzzzzz = http://www.jtbaker.com/msds/englishhtml/s4982.htm
We consumers are sick of hearing your little whining – its all an excuse to rape our pocketbooks under the guise of the big bad governemnt.

#6 CeeMGee on 11.21.08 at 3:30 PM

Well, after that vile comment I have a few more sensible words.

First off, it would be my guess that the majority of folks, in the upper level business end, of the Tobacco industry are Republicans. I may be wrong but … well …. the Republicans are all for pushing everything down to the state level.

Being big business, and assuming said political affiliations, you got what you wanted. If it were a Democratic administration this would be administered amd managed by the federal governemtn. Fees, methods, materials, etc, would be standardized.

I need to partially retract my comments about chemicals (Sodium Silicate) as I discussed the matter with Philip Morris who achieves the self extinguishing with multiple layers of paper. They had no answer why nearly 100% of the customers report a terrible taste. My hypothesis os that there is glue involved = chemilcals = change in taste. I have family who spent their career with the largest supplier of glue to the Tobacco industry. Fact of the matter is = socium silicate or not, we customers are getting more chemicals.

I do feel badly that the industry had this crammed down their throat by an administration who just loved to take liberties at hiding as much as possible from the public. However we could have been informed. As silly as it seems you (the Tobacco industry) have forced us (the retailers) to be the ones to tell your customers what is happening and why. It chaffs me below the belt that the industry couldn’t take the bull and publicize this activity.

All in all I appreciate your feelings and frustrations. Personally, I managed to snag the last carton of Marb Reds that are *not* FSC and am preparing myself to quit smoking.

After all is said and done, the may just be the tool we have been given to stop poisoning ourselves.

If you need a good info security expert you know how to get hold of me.

Oh yeah and I stand by my comments about the industry faltering in providing us long term customers with readily available retail promotions (2 for 1, 3 for 2, special prices on cartons etc. Only the new smokers interested in the flavor du jour are rewarded with special pricing. We cough up the highest price in reqesrd for all our product loyalty. Plus, if we out ourselves on corp mailing lists to get coupons, we are subject to terrible privacy agreements where our personal information can be sold and/or traded and where we will be subject to all marketing and other mail just for that occasional nugget of a worthwhile coupon.

Best to you and have a great holiday season,
CeeMGee

#7 Dave C. on 12.14.08 at 11:56 PM

I thinks its all BS, just another law…They love making laws. I found more info on FSC cigarettes here: http://www.fsccigarettes.com

#8 Keebler on 01.10.09 at 1:10 AM

FSC (Fire Standard Compliant) Cigarettes were also made “law” in Oklahoma effective January 1, 2009. I was not aware (due to lack of media coverage?) that this new law was even going into effect, much less that a Fire Safe Cigarette???? was even being produced.

I purchased a carton of Pall Mall Light 100′s on December 30, 2008 and noticed that the very first cigarette I lit kept going out, as did the second, third, etc. I finally made a comment to my 18 year old son about it and he proceeded to tell me about the new law and that FSC would be printed above the UPC code of these new cigarettes. There was NO FSC stamped above the UPC code, so I didn’t think I was smoking the FSC’s.

I continued to smoke packs of cigarettes from the carton, but noticed that something was definitely WRONG with the cigarettes. Especially when they kept going out and I would have to relight as many as 4-5 times. The “relighting” part was very unpredictable. Sometimes the end would flare up in a big flame, or would crackle and shoot sparks in all directions, or just turn into a ball of fire and fall in my lap! I noticed that they tasted different and I had to draw longer, harder, and practically non-stop to keep them from going out! After I had smoked the second pack I started feeling like I was coming down with strep throat. By the time I had smoked 8 packs out of the carton I KNEW FOR SURE that something wasn’t right. It was so painful just to swallow anything, even liquids. I had no fever and no other symptoms that I was coming down with the flu or anything else.

After the 8th pack is when I started putting 2 and 2 together, and googled FSC Cigarettes to get more information. I have been appalled at what I’ve been reading! I IMMEDIATELY stopped smoking the FSC’s, started rolling my own, and within 12 hours my throat felt better. By the next day, I could swallow without feeling any pain.

I have great concerns about this product after just EIGHT packs. I want to know WHAT is in these things and WHO they tested them on! So far, the only “test” information I can find are the tests conducted to determine the cigarettes RIP . . . Reduced Ignition Propensity.

No one cares about “responsible” smokers. As long as our government can provide a “tool” to the IRRESPONSIBLE who are the REAL culprit behind cigarette related house fires. The government is just giving irresponsible people another tool to “enable” them to remain IRRESPONSIBLE. What are we teaching our children? That they don’t have to be accountable? That they don’t have to be responsible for their actions? It just keeps getting worse and WORSE!

Can we tell a difference between the old cigarettes and the new FSC’s? YES WE CAN!

Can we do something about it? YES WE CAN!

Can we see the stats for fire related deaths caused by cigarette fires reduced?

Hmmm, in view of the unpredictable nature of these things when they ARE burning, I’m not convinced yet that we can answer “yes we can” to that one.

Can we see the stats rise in other areas? YES WE CAN!

Here’s one I’m sure that very few people have thought of yet. . . A smoker who is not yet familiar with the unpredictable nature of these FSC’s (or maybe is) is smoking while driving down the highway. The cigarette goes out, driver attempts to relight, and gets a fire ball that drops off into his lap and startles him enough that he is totally distracted from driving because he’s too busy trying to keep from catching his hair on fire or keep from burning his car seat, or carpeting. Driver crosses over the center line and hits another car head on! This could be worse than text messaging while driving!

And don’t think for a minute that it CAN’T happen! If irresponsible PEOPLE can cause cigarette related house fires, what makes anyone think that FSC related TRAFFIC FATALITIES can’t happen? So, there’s a WHOLE NEW STATISTIC for you!

I don’t have any stats on how many people drink, drive, AND smoke. As if a drunk driver trying to get from point “A” to point “B” without killing someone isn’t bad enough. Now it’s the “law” that this person who chooses to drink, drive, AND smoke must smoke these unpredictable cigarettes. Yes Sir, let’s give that drunk ONE MORE CHALLENGE so that he won’t be able to keep his vehicle between the lines!

Oh well, you can be sure that our government will find a solution. . . They’ll make it “law” that we can’t even smoke in our own cars. What will be next? Our own homes?

WAKE UP AMERICA! DO YOUR HOMEWORK on these FSC’s. Not just their RIP, Reduced Ignition Propensity, but also the “immediate” physical affects that smoking this new product is having, but smokers are slow to link their health issues with the new product. Why?? Because we “trust” our government to make decisions that are in our best interest? THINK AGAIN! As if we haven’t had plenty of our freedoms taken away from us already, smokers and non-smokers alike . . . the very basic and most important of all is slowly being taken away from us . . . the freedom to “think” for ourselves.

If you are interested in having this law repealed go to the following link

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/repeal-fire-safe-cigarette-laws

#9 Smoker Gal on 01.10.09 at 10:36 PM

Keebler – thanks for taking the time to educate others on the issue. My state I hear is going to this product very soon. Really seems like our ability to smoke will continue to be challenged from every manner!

#10 KurlyQ23 on 01.11.09 at 10:29 PM

You will not believe what I found out about these FSC cigarettes. They contain LATEX in the paper. Please read below. No wonder so many people are getting sick. My husband and I are both smokers and I was mad that I just found out there is Latex in the paper. My husband started getting really sick from this “new” product and we were having a hard time figuring out why.

I am not sure how many of you are aware of just how latex processes in your system, it doesn’t. It builds up until you reach you “level” of intolerance and then every exposure after that will continue to make you sicker. It can even cause respiratory distress, anyway any smoker out there who reads this really needs to learn about latex and the long term effects it will have on you.

Shame on the government for not telling us what is in them!!!!! They are going to kill someone who is a smoker, allergic to Latex and does not know that the paper contains Latex!

I am no doctor but if you experience any of the following with the FSC cigarettes please stop smoking them immediately and I advise you to talk to your doctor! You could be having a Latex reaction to the cigarettes!

Burning of the lips, tongue, throat, stomach pain, redness of the face and/or ears or any other “allergy” symptoms.

Title:
Self-extinguishing cigarettes
Document Type and Number:
United States Patent 4303084

Abstract:
This invention concerns the use of a class of coatings that are applied to the paper wrapper that encloses the cigarette’s smoking medium, for limiting in a predictable manner the free burning time of the treated cigarette, or controlling the lapsed time prior to self-extinguishment after being lit and left unattended. The coating materials are generally identified as polymeric chlorine-containing film-forming latexes that cure at ambient temperature, forming flexible, water-resistant, flame-retardant deposits. Comparable results are obtained, for equivalent weight percentages of the deposited latex solids, by either pre-coating the portion of paper wrapper that encloses the charge of tobacco or smoking medium or by post-treatment of the external surface of the assembled cigarette. For cigarettes having paper wrappers coated to contain 19±6 weight percent latex solids of this invention, based on the weight of the treated paper that encloses the smoking medium, after being lit and left unattended a self-extinguishing time of from 1 to 3 minutes can be expected, meeting a practicable compromise for the smoker between safety and smoking convenience.

#11 Keebler on 01.12.09 at 2:01 AM

ABSTRACT:
This report examines New York’s initial experience implementing fire safety standards for cigarettes. This study provided the first assessment of the ability of manufacturers to produce cigarettes that reduce ignition propensity, while maintaining price and consumer acceptability. The study also measures a number known toxic compound s commonly found in cigarettes to determine if there are substantial differences in their levels compared to Mssachussetts cigarettes. The study compares laboratory testing of RIP and the level of nineteen known toxic compounds for the same four cigarette brands sold in New York and Massachussetts. The study further examines measures of tax revenue, pricing, and brand availability to assess the effects of fire safety standards on the consumer market.

SUGGESTED CITATION:
Hillel R. Alpert , Carrie Carpenter, Gregory N. Connolly, Vaughan Rees, and Geoffrey Ferris Wayne, “The Effect of the New York State Cigarette Fire Safety Standard on Ignition Propensity, Smoke Toxicity and the Consumer market” (January 24, 2005). Tobacco Control. Surveys and Program Evaluations from Outside UCSF. Paper Cigarettes2005.
http://repositories.cdlib.org/tc/surveys/Cigarettes2005

The above report lists nineteen toxic compounds found in cigarettes. FSC cigarettes compared to non-FSC cigarettes showed an 11.4% increase of Carbon Monoxide and 13.9% increase of the compound Naphthalene.

What are the effects of Carbon Monoxide?

http://www.carbonmonoxidekills.com/coinformation.htm

Naphthalene – CAS Number: 91-20-3

http://www.epa.gov/epawaste/hazard/wastemin/minimize/factshts/napthal.pdf

Other increased levels of the FSC Cigarettes are Propionaldehyde 6.3%, Crotonaldehyde 6.3%, Methylethylketone 6.1%, and Fluorene 6.1%,
Anthracene 5.6%, Acetaldehyde 5.8%, Acetone 5.4%,
Phenanthrene 4.7%, Fluoranthene 4.3%, utyraldehyde 4.1%, MS TPM 3.8%, Tar 3%, Benzanthracene 3.1%, Pyrene 2.6%, Chrysene 2.7%, Acrolein 2.7% Benzo(e)pyrene 2.6%, Formaldehyde 2.3%, Benzo(a)pyrene 1.4%, and Indeno[1,2,3-cd]pyrene 1.1%.

According to these test results, nicotene level was decreased by -1.8%

#12 SmokinSue on 02.06.09 at 11:37 AM

Great website – it’s getting bookmarked for further reading and investigation.
I am sick of these FSC cigarettes and the gubbermint getting involved in MY RIGHT TO SMOKE!

It’s time to fight back smokers~
I wished I could go up to congress and blow smoke up their asses.

#13 Snowball on 02.07.09 at 1:00 AM

I’ll join you Sue! And I’m not even a smoker!

#14 SmokinSue on 02.20.09 at 8:28 AM

Now they are raising the taxes on cigs!! Get ready to pay up to $6 + for a carton – and for THIS we have to smoke FSC cigs?
THAT SHOULD BE MY CHOICE!
It’s getting pretty bad when pot is cheaper!!! LOL
BTW – legalize it too!
Time for me to stock up from carolinacartons.com –
My first shipment comes in today.

#15 SmokinSue on 02.20.09 at 8:30 AM

OH I might add – it’s all that B.O’s fault! He wants to raise these taxes to pay for others health care.

Everyday these democrats are in office – makes me glad I did not vote for a single one of them.

They have what it takes to take what you have.

#16 johnnybegood69 on 02.21.09 at 3:28 AM

I have been searching the internet for places to get NON FSC Cigarettes……here is what I come up with.

This place has lots of good comments about them in blogs over the net.

You can get NON FSC cigs like Marlboro, Camel, Parliament, Winston, Salem, Newport, and all the most popular brands WITHOUT Fire Safe Paper.

Anyone looking for the cigs without the FSC paper………here is your answer:

http://www.carolinacartons.com/

Glad to help out, others pointed me to them and now I am a happy NON-FSC smoker again…….ENJOY! maybe this will help out others as well……..and they are not overseas, they are right here in the good ole USA!

Buy NON FSC Cigarettes here:

http://www.carolinacartons.com/

#17 SmokinSue on 02.25.09 at 9:40 PM

I love my NON FSC I got from carolinacartons.com.
I also got 2 lighters – nice little addition.

Im going to put in another order – b/c they were nice enough to send me an email confirming that the effin’ goverment and BO are going to add an additional tax on all cigs…..starting soon…
Taxes vary from state to state – upwards to over $6 more a carton.

Folks you better start stepping up your rights to smoke b/c the administration is going to run us all into the ground…

FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT :-)

#18 LightSmoker on 03.14.09 at 11:25 PM

Bob here from CA. I buy my non fsc cigarettes from http://www.nmcsmokes.com fast and fresh :)

#19 LightSmoker on 03.14.09 at 11:27 PM

Bob here again. Best to type in the right address :) it is http://www.nmcsmokeshop.com :)

#20 RENEGADE on 03.15.09 at 1:09 AM

Sue I love your thought – they have what it takes to take what you have! God that so good! Make them rely on you so one day they have to choice other than to depend on you. Socialism Sucks!

#21 SmokinSue on 03.15.09 at 9:17 AM

Thanks Renegade – it’s only going to get worse!!! Do your part as a US citizen and fight the gobbermint…esp this new administration –

Well was I right or what??? Did your cigs go UP in price with more taxes to fund BO’s child healthcare program?

We HAVE to FIGHT for OUR RIGHTS people!!! Be pro-active and write your congress!!!

Enough is enough! Where’s MY bailout? :-\

#22 RYNE on 04.27.09 at 12:35 PM

this is horrible. I’m glad I live so close to lousiana. I can get non fsc smokes there. But after august they too will be fsc. I’m extremely pissed off about this. Fsc smokes make me sick and have anxiety. We need to do something about this. Just to think our bullshit government can get away with this is infuriating. I knew soon as that dumbshit took office our country would turn to shit. I hate our country now

#23 Desert Dude on 04.28.09 at 12:33 PM

Hey Ryne – go get a e-cig and enjoy – oh the govt probably wants to see them go away also. What a frigging farce!

#24 ashley on 06.22.09 at 4:51 AM

sooo i hate frigin fsc cigs all they do is make me sick and im gettin tired of it! the government needs to grow some feelings for other people out in this world and stop killing people with these cigs cuz be for real people are going to start droppin dead soon by the sounds of this. im sorry but im not about to loose anyone else in my life i just want one night where i dont wake up coughing!

#25 zero7starz on 07.27.09 at 7:34 PM

First the gov wants to make FSC cigarettes law, and raise taxes. Now that lots of smokers have switched over to e cigs they want to ban them so they can get the tax credits back! This is absurd. I honestly think they want us all dead. There has to be something we can do. I’m tired of them trying to interfere with my life.

#26 CeemGee on 07.31.09 at 12:57 PM

What typical responses from wounded smokers. Anyone remember how this thread started> It was an exec from the tobacco industry whining about this law that made them comply with a totally stupid law written in true republican format. Forcing the “how to comply” back to the states; bringing about dozens of different methods and compliance methods.

Geez, last I looked all you repubos should just *LOVE* this law – after all it’s *YOUR* fundamental belief that the state should control things like this. Remember your blurts and sputs and venomous spews about a smaller federal government?

Well, you got exactly what you wanted. Ant this all came from a tiny little danger where those terrible welfare leeches and trailer trash getting drunk and burning down their trailers – killing themselves and others.

So what started as a typical repubo, conservative, narrow-minded, ignorant political issue ended up to be a monstrous repubo, conservative, narrow-minded, ignorant piece of legislation.So how’s about you all stop your whizzing and whining and belly up to the bar – figure out how to conform to the law you (Bush) created.

And “SmokinSue on 02.20.09 at 8:30 AM OH I might add – it’s all that B.O’s fault! He wants to raise these taxes to pay for others health care.

Everyday these democrats are in office – makes me glad I did not vote for a single one of them.

They have what it takes to take what you have.”

BO???? LMAO!!! This was Bush’s legislation all the way. Remember that it came to be, first in NY, in 2004 – the height of Dubyah’s tour-de-whizz.

Get your big mouth back where it belongs and take the blame upon your own mentally limited group of the US population – conservative repubos.

According to all the reading I did. the legislation was put in place under GWB’s watch and with republican support.

So I re-iterate – you got what you wanted – state-designated specifications to meed federal standards; and the tobacco companies are left on their own to comply.

They stuffed more chemicals down our throats – be it from more paper and glue to tobacco additives.

So you got yourselves to blame – now shush and go away and lick your wounds – or whatever you want to.

#27 Chicago120 on 08.09.09 at 10:33 PM

CeemGee – You have wonderfull opinions. Maybe you will have the good fortune of being in an accident with someone talking or texting on their cell phone while driving. But that is OK because the lawmakers do it and heaven forbid they restrict themselves. I believe that cell phone accidents kill more people than cigarett fires. Find a real cause and get Osmegma out of his oval orifice.

#28 OTP Kid on 08.11.09 at 4:39 PM

CeemGee: Nany Pelosi was looking for you the other day, she said she needed her bottomed cleaned.

#29 CeemGee on 09.18.09 at 2:34 PM

Taxes on us to kill ourselves smoking makes sense to help those dying on their own. You don’ like it, quit, grow your own and roll your own.

Not to mention we will all expect the country to take care of us as we die from smoking related illness. Pay up front or pay later.

#30 CeemGee on 09.18.09 at 2:35 PM

see the secret message to all you anti OB’s is that if u quit the tax wont make you any difference.

think b4 you spew silliness.

#31 Mark on 09.23.09 at 7:12 AM

CeemGee…sooo your justifying Obama raising cigs up a buck a pack in the middle of a recession? Gee I wonder how many smokers would have voted for Obama having known he would sign the SCHIP bill that raised their smokes?

#32 Mark on 09.23.09 at 7:14 AM

Oh yeah…by the way 1 out of every 5 americans smoke cigs…that’s alot of votes Obama….I smell 1 term…If there is still a country left…A vote for Obama is a vote for socialism.

#33 eugenics on 12.11.09 at 12:02 AM

Does anyone find it odd that just as the FDA has taken over the tobacco companies and forced them to put more toxins into them it has caused an increase in smoking related deaths and illness?
is it just me or are they really trying to kill smokers I mean after all the case has been made that smoking kills and anyone who smokes is socially unacceptable so why not just rush the process.

#34 AndyB on 12.11.09 at 6:31 PM

“I IMMEDIATELY stopped smoking the FSC’s, started rolling my own, and within 12 hours my throat felt better. By the next day, I could swallow without feeling any pain.”
Perhaps you should stop smoking altogether and for good and be free from pain. You will also not have to worry what future administrations do with tobacco.

#35 juggalomike on 12.13.09 at 6:10 PM

I thank the gov should pull those nasty fsc and give us our cigs back becuz we should beable 2 smoke wat we want becuz we r suposet 2 b free wears the freedom in them making us smoke wat we dnt want 2 smoke we should bable 2 have our reguler cigs if we want them becuz we kno wats in them we have no clue wat thay put in these watever is n them r making ppl sick

#36 tina sizemore on 12.13.09 at 6:18 PM

Hay im so ageast fsc cigs thay made me sick 5min after i smoked them thay need 2 let us have our normale cigs back b4 thay get sued

#37 keith sczesny on 12.16.09 at 2:19 PM

stop FSC!!!!!!!!!

#38 Antman on 12.23.09 at 10:00 AM

Sue, you are insane, this FSC ruling is a STATE option. So what do you say about States that have this FSC ruling inplace, that have Republican leadership?

#39 Antman on 12.23.09 at 10:07 AM

Sue, also the FSC ruking started in 2006, not 2009.

#40 lee ann shrader on 12.27.09 at 11:56 AM

Is this government retarded? it just bumblifies me how they could let this continue what has happened to this country i’m hoping obama being a straight up person he seems to be does the right thing and take care of this problem.

#41 TODD PARADISE on 12.27.09 at 12:01 PM

I HOPE THAT EVERYONE CAN QUIT JUST FOR THE SIMPLE REASON THE GOVERMENT. CAN CONTROL EVERYONE . AND SO THAT ARE FAMILIES ARE NOT IN THE CLASSACTION LAWSUITS THAT WILL HAPPEN OVER THE DEATH CAUSED BY THE FSC .

#42 Theresa on 01.08.10 at 12:30 AM

I have smoked for 30 years and have never had a smokers cough until NOW. I smoked these nasty cigs for 6 days- unaware of FSC because of lack of media coverage- I knew something was wrong with them because they tasted stale and the fire kept falling off. I went to 4 different stores trying to get a (fresh) pack of cigs and that is when I discovered this FSC crap was in the cigs as of 1/1/10. I have headaches, am nauseous and cough till I almost vomit. I also have the first sinus infection/ear ache I have ever had and I am 50 years old! This really makes me angry- I think there trying to kill us off!

#43 Michael on 01.16.10 at 2:46 PM

This just in.

State of Texas to require bottled water that is not “wet”.

Cigarettes that don’t burn. Nice.

It doesn’t matter if you are anti or pro smoking. The Government has gone way to far once again.

#44 Michael on 01.16.10 at 2:48 PM

I forgot to mention that at least the FDA will not be banning the import of Electronic Cigarettes which meet the Fire Safe requirements.

I guess when you “smoke” water vapor it can’t ignite.

#45 Tommy on 01.24.10 at 2:37 PM

Go to the above website and you can buy NON FSC cigarettes online.

#46 John Bailey on 01.25.10 at 5:14 PM

Well sportsfans, it appears that something I’ve enjoyed since I was 12 years old will soon be just a memory. The cost of tobacco products have gone out of sight and now the products they’re putting out aren’t worth giving to gitmo detainees.
Somewhere, there’s got to be a bright spot in all this. I try to gain peace in knowing that the tobacco industry will soon be a memory as well. All those big bucks the leaders make will soon be gone. Of course, the little guy on the production line will draw his last paycheck too.
The problem with the American people is that they keep trying to get around the government. If everyone just quit, look at all the tax money they would lose. All of our tax money gives corrupt polititians something to play with. Take away their toys and things change. I think thats what prohibition was all about.
So folks, you decide. As for me I’m going to quit, just to make my point. That’s at least a $100.00 a month pay raise.

#47 Copenhagen Charlie on 02.04.10 at 1:39 PM

Mr. Bailey the Tobacco companies will out live both of us! You can write that in stone!

#48 Tommy on 02.04.10 at 1:44 PM

http://www.cheapciggies.com

Buy all the NON FSC cigs. you want.

#49 superdale on 02.17.10 at 11:39 AM

Just how much damage have they done, and what is yet to come ?

Why am I getting so upset, when all that it probably is, just a little bit of harmless, governmentally dispensed, genocide. Hmmmmmm… You know what, it’s probably, just to be certain, we don’t injure ourselves, right ?

You wanna know what else ? They’ve got it covered all the way around. If, you should fall over dead while consuming this super poisoned contraption and it creates a house fire, killing the rest of your family, you will be able to take solace . No one will ever blame it on your habit because, you were, indeed, using fire standard compliant smokes . Finally, the most ironic part of it all will be when, the fire investigator’s report concludes that, you simply just fell asleep, during a house fire, of a new, mysterious and unknown origin.

But seriously, if you don’t want to die many, many more times sooner than before, then you should do just as I did and vow to never smoke another FSC (fire standard compliant cigarette) . Alternatively though, I will,(especially now) continue to smoke tobacco in any form until it has been made entirely illegal . Also, if things don’t change by that time, I will have considered this nation unfit for habitation by freedom loving individuals such as myself.

These new and much more effecient, liver killing, death sticks had me sick for 6 months ! I had no Idea what was causing it until January, 1, 2010. I almost died ! I already had a liver condition . Thanks for the “heads up” “big brother”.

But wait, theres even more ! Do you feel a lump in your throat ? Is your chest on fire ? Having palpitations, overly accelerated pulse rate, insomnia, anxiety and/or mental depression ? Pulmonary edema , severe weakness, headaches, dizziness, kidney problems ? Are you having any symptoms of central nervous system depression, confusion, hoarseness, an inability to sleep in a horizontal posistion,and much , much more ?

When you get sick and you visit your Dr. he or she may have trouble diagnosing your condition . If so, just ask to be checked for ethylene vinyl acetate (carpet glue) and napthalene (moth ball) poisoning . Also, (this is important) don’t forget to mention that you have been burning and inhaling it at, what are apparently, toxic levels !

I would like to thank nanny government and all of the great many social engineers who are working so hard on my behalf . Now , instead of taking up to what could have been decades to kill myself, I can use the new and improved, fsc death stick, and potentialy, do the job in as little as a matter of months.

But seriously, smoker’s will now start to drop like flies, and you know what they will have to say , “Now you know, as we have already told you, smoking is very dangerous”. I have been a smoker for 30 years and have never had any symtoms other than an occasional cough until, the stealthy introduction of the fsc’s.

46 million, demonized and bullied US.citizens, may not seem to be that big of a percentage compared to the rest population but, 46 million people can completely blow the (always closed) doors from this crooked government and the rest of it’s perverted, twisted , greedy, narcissistic, social engineers ! 46 million voters can create a heck of a large swing vote . If we will all speak together our voice will be, overwhelmingly loud. Let our voice not, go unheard ! Once again, let freedom ring !

Call , write or e-mail your state and federal representaives and don’t forget to register and VOTE !

In case you haven’t already done so, don’t forget to sign and if you wish, leave a comment on the rather large and fast growing petition at,

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/repeal-fire-safe-cigarette-laws

Just in case, you are still a skeptical anti-smoker and don’t believe any of this, then I dare you, (with your heart) to just read a few pages of the comments made. A lot of these unwitting victims of this atrocity will undoubtedly now have to suffer for life.

Wouldn’t you expect to have been advised If the toxicity of your favorite medications , make-up or food additives you have come to depend upon, been increased, substantialy ?

Self destruction is human nature. You choose your vehicle, I will choose mine .

Disclaimer, I am not affiliated with any tobacco or nicotine product manufacturing, promotions, sales, shipping and/or otherwise.

#50 Mike on 02.18.10 at 2:53 AM

27 year smoker. Never had a smokers cough, never had breathing problems. Now I’m coughing so bad my eyes water and I sometimes almost vomit.

I’m switching to e-cigs – can’t be any worse for me than this…

#51 rodeo on 03.31.10 at 11:28 PM

I have been having severe allergic reactions over the past 10-12 months and have been to several different doctors ,treated with meds and creams,steroids and everything else. Nothing helped,I itched all over–scratching sores on my arms and legs.Nothing seemed to help,then I started getting sore,red edges on my lips as if they were irritated by something. I read about the FSC cigs and went and bought a make your own kit yesterday and haven’t smoked an FSC cig in 2 days. The itching has subsided,the sore lips are gone. This FSC is pure poison —don’t buy these cigs–they will kill you quicker than cancer. I can’t believe they were shoved down our throat and we are trully “test” rats. I would like to sue Big Tobacco and The Govt for trying to
kill me—it very nearly worked

#52 jimbo on 05.16.10 at 5:33 PM

what a bunch of shit the goverment is doing to us now,its bad enough we the consumer of cigarettes have to constantly pay the high rising costs for law suits charged to tobacco companys,when they get sued we pay for it now big brother sticks its nose in it to add this shit to the blend,just another chemical untill someone dies from it then you know what will happen,nothing except in increase in costs ,,thanks ass holes why dont you all just leave us alone,,,,

#53 Spencer on 06.04.10 at 1:08 PM

Hey, sue, you realize fsc is a state law right? That means that it’s not B.O’s fault. Do you’re research so you actually know who to fight. I don’t like him either but I hate all government.

#54 Cashish on 11.27.10 at 3:43 AM

Maybe what seems like an evil tactic on the surface is just an attempt to raise the vibration of the human race by getting a huge percentage of us to quit long-term suicide attempts? If you really want to make a difference, quit smoking. The tobacco companies will eventually lobby in favor of repealing the FSC act and by the time it’s reversed, you can be of clear mind when you decide whether or not to light up and knowingly poison yourselves again (albeit more flavor-fully/less painfully).

#55 BlackHeart on 02.12.11 at 11:18 AM

This amounts to government sanctioned genocide and since the Tobacco companies LOBBIED FOR THIS, I don’t feel sorry for them.

People Goggle Tobacco leafs and roll your own!
Fresh Choice!
Tobacco seeds!

Do not buy these toxic fuming death sticks!

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